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Anonymous 07/22/2022 (Fri) 06:12:11 No.14460
https://bannnedb.github.io/Religious-values-test/ Take this test to see where you stand religiously.
>>14513 Whats your point? Our enemies are still spiritual.
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Looks like most of us are similar to each other.
>>14730 >papist >looks favorably on hinduism and other pagan idolatry (shocking) >test itself gives you labels like "pantheist" and "secular hindu" Yes, I'd say you are similar to each other! Popery not even once!!!
>>14842 Well it says neutral which is fair I guess because I checked that they shouldn't be persecuted, faith out of free will is much better out of being forced. Polytheistic religions are still better than atheism because they can teach some good values that often don't contradict christianity.
>>14848 >Well it says neutral which is fair I guess because I checked that they shouldn't be persecuted God said to the false gods "An abomination is he who chooses you" >faith out of free will is much better out of being forced It isn't about forcing conversions. The Church is called holy, she is to be filled with saints not false believers. That does not mean it is in the least bit acceptable to commit the worst sin possible; true religion should not be forced but false religion must not be tolerated, "If there arise among you a Prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and give thee a sign or wonder, And the sign and the wonder, which he hath told thee, come to pass saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them, Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of the prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him, and shall keep his commandments, and hearken unto his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. But that Prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, he shall be slain, because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and delivered you out of the house of bondage to thrust thee out of the way, wherein the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk: so shalt thou take the evil away forth of the midst of thee."
Christianity is what I would like to believe. But, Atheism feels like my true belief. A fact I dislike. I believe I have the "curse" as defined by the knight in Ingmar Bergman's film: The Seventh Seal. As in: I want to believe, but I find myself unable to do so. I perceive myself as having no true religious principles; only various senses of what I felt, felt right or reasonable when a certain religious or spiritual idea was presented to me. I have no idea what Christian sect is in the right theologically. But I want one or several of them to be so.
>>14862 >I want to believe, but I find myself unable to do so. The Lord Jesus said "Knock and you shall be answered, seek and you shall find". Therefore if this is true say this prayer with sincerity: "Lord, I believe, help me with my unbelief" and live in light of it.
>>14864 Transphobia is a mortal sin, go confess to a priest your thoughtcrime
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>>14864 Rule 5.
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It's about what I expected.
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The description calls this hypothetical man a pantheist, but really: what is he?
>>14868 incredibly retarded. thats what he is
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>>14869 I have an even better one for you.
>>14528 Just because our enemies are spiritual doesn't mean they are immune to physical resistance.
>>14713 >%100 islamophobic Based >>14730 >pantheistic Why are you even here? >>14861 >It isn't about forcing conversions. The Church is called holy, she is to be filled with saints not false believers. That does not mean it is in the least bit acceptable to commit the worst sin possible; true religion should not be forced but false religion must not be tolerated Based Prautismo
>>14872 most (99%) of humans are good at heart, id be willing to bet that most of the people in power against us probably think that what theyre doing is for the betterment of the world.
>>14873 >Why are you even here? To shitpost obviously.
>>14878 >most (99%) of humans are good at heart Have you ever read the bible?
(P.S. these Hitler trips were predestined before the foundation of the world)
>>14887 Have you?
>>14898 What then? Are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
>>14900 theres a difference between being a bad person and committing sin. Thats what i was getting at.
>>14901 The entire point of the entire Book of Romans up to that point is that they commit sins because they are bad people. If an unbeliever is not as bad as they could be it is not because there is something positive about their nature but because of the hand of God holding them back and restraining their evil.
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>>14902 im assuming youre referencing this part of Romans and sections similar to it? In which case my earlier point still stands. Gods existence is prevalent in nature but most people reject Him either because they are indoctrinated from childhood or during some other point in their life or because they give into their desires, or historically due to deception put forth by the devil. These people still arent bad people theyre just corrupted, much like how a rusty tool isnt a bad tool it just needs a little cleaning.
>>14903 >most people reject Him Most? Try again. >because they are indoctrinated from childhood or during some other point in their life or because they give into their desires, or historically due to deception put forth by the devil. Is that what Romans 1:18-32 says? Or is it because they are wicked men who in unrighteousness suppress the truth, exchanging the truth of God for a lie and worshipping and serving the creation instead of the creator who is blessed forever? You should read that scripture you posted again and ask yourself if you believe it >These people still arent bad people theyre just corrupted, much like how a rusty tool isnt a bad tool it just needs a little cleaning. Their throats are an open grave, the poison of asps is under their lips, their feet are swift to shed blood, there is no fear of God before their eyes.
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>>14904 >Is that what Romans 1:18-32 says? Or is it because they are wicked men who in unrighteousness suppress the truth, exchanging the truth of God for a lie and worshipping and serving the creation instead of the creator who is blessed forever? the actual scripture (straight greek to english translation btw) calls them "foolish" not wicked. and makes no mention of them "suppressing the truth" although i can imagine someone doing that to cover for their own desires. >Their throats are an open grave, the poison of asps is under their lips, their feet are swift to shed blood, there is no fear of God before their eyes. yet again, they are corrupted, they are not evil. You have countless recounts of people falling into sin and then working their way back out and vice versa, this does not scream "HUMANS ARE EVIL" this screams "HUMANS ARE CORRUPTIBLE". Lets keep in mind that evil is nothing more than opposition to God, there is no eternal Evil deity like in popular mythology, believing that would imply you either believe that God created another god named "Evil" or that more gods than God exist which is completely against the Bible. morally humans are neutral, swaying from side to side, but in our hearts we have a natural desire to do good, either by ourselves, by our families, or by the rest of society. That desire to do good, paired with other factors such as the foolish minds described in the Bible and temptations and influence from the devil often cause us to commit harmful or self destructive acts, this does not negate the intentions for doing them.
>>14907 Cope coming from the guy who willing puts 69 in his name
>>14911 >he doesnt know
>>14842 Hindoos are based
>>14915 >being an occultist Give a good reason for using that number besides a lewd joke
>>14980 >joke theres youre reason
>>14981 Repent
>>14981 I also think you should change your name to something less perverse like antichristhater missionary.
>>14992 its "AntichristHater69" because my original name was "AntichristHaterFortnitePlayer69". So its an inside joke.
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>>14863 >and live in light of it. I'm sorry, but what does that even mean?
>>14994 You are concerning others, kid
>>14491 >Half the posts he's responding to are deleted What is this /leftypol/ all over again?
>>15535 it was all just inflammatory bait, i removed a bunch of my own posts for the same reason, desperate times called for (key word "called") desperate measures.
>>15535 Some posts deserve to be deleted, freedom of speech doesn't mean you have freedom from consequences.
>>15490 Act like you believe it.
>>15549 >freedom of speech doesn't mean you have freedom from consequences So it's /leftypol/ all over again
>>15555 it was just lowqual bait, it only really served to cause conflict on the board.
>>14907 >straight greek to english translation btw Well aren't they all? I'm not sure what the point is even supposed to be >calls them "foolish" not wicked. and makes no mention of them "suppressing the truth" One should always when challenged theologically by the citation of any given scripture pull up the full passage. When one does not do this it is somewhat clear that they are not appropriately dealing with the text for one reason or another. And it is clear that one is not doing this when they fail to notice a verse that is three verses away from the one that came up when they googled the text that was quoted. Obviously the verse being referenced when I spoke of the wickedness of men and their suppression of the truth verse 18, not verse 21. So in this particular context why is it we have dealt disrespectfully with the text and missed the obvious? Because we have been influenced by a vain human philosophy which prevents us from believing what the bible says. It is essential for a Christian to let themselves be challenged by God's word, be willing to lay such traditions aside and embrace the teaching of scripture without hesitation so that we may be led by the hand by the Holy Spirit. >they are corrupted, they are not evil. And there we see it again we can't believe that because we have this human tradition that would contradict this (in this case human free will). They certainly are corrupted, and what is corrupted is their very nature so that being evil they despise their creator and all that is good. I'm sorry you don't like what the bible says, but that doesn't make it go away. So which would you rather believe? What the bible says, or what you say? >morally humans are neutral, swaying from side to side, but in our hearts we have a natural desire to do good And there you go the text has ceased to exist and been replaced with some unrealistic philosophical garbage that is fundamentally irreconcilable with it. Even though the entire purpose of the text is to establish that men are so naturally wicked that they are utterly dependent upon the righteousness of Christ (not their own righteousness) to stand before God, we overthrow this core teaching because it is inconsistent with the tradition which we have received and throw the whole thrust of the apostle's argument out of whack. The text says "There is no fear of God before their eyes", but he says "They are naturally good". Ye make the words of God of none effect by your traditions of men.
>>15664 the problem with your assertion is that you say humans are naturally evil. A being which is naturally evil cannot love God or go to Heaven. Furthermore the existence of free will (which you referenced) also proves that humans are not naturally evil as free will implies a choice. People choose to be evil. They arent born wanting to be evil, they given into the temptations and thus become corrupted.
>>15671 >free will >implying Jesus forgives because He sees that humanity is stuck being evil without Him. Else if there are any human beings, even one, that can live a perfect life it proves that there can be salvation without Jesus. We know that there is no salvation without Jesus, so all must be miserable sinners without God.
>>14878 Thinking evil is good is grounds for execution tbh
>>14865 Yeah, because the popes always acting like the best catholic ever. No wonder this board sucks
>>14878 Thinking good is evil is grounds for execution tbh
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