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Christian Fascist Thread Blackshirt 05/22/2020 (Fri) 19:36:33 ID: 9df816 No.181
Am I the only Christian here?
Integralist? from what I've heard those were the christian fascists
I'm not a Christian but I have nothing but respect for the Iron Guard and Codreanu.
Presente Although I believe that the church is in need of a reform
im pretty sure theres a lot of christians here, or at least were before people got lost in the migration. theyre awfully civil people. pleasant to share a board with. t. Vedic New Ager
>>265 We’ve had less Christians as time has passed for better or for worse. Pagans and Ragnar Redbeard-types bullied them off the board.
>>266 Young Pagans tend to act like vegans What worries me the most is that they appear less like Pagans and more like simple anti-christians with a viking aesthetic. They identity is based not on what they believe but instead on what they do not, like AntiFa. As long as this characterizes most of their movement, cooperation will be impossible. Although, they all behave once Codreanu enters the picture, so that gives me some hope, as this childish animosity has no real reason to exist and I am sure (((them))) are happy to hear us fight among fascists. Still, we cannot obligate them into cooperating with us, we must concentrate on revitalizing christianity, if they are reasonable people they will come and offer their friendship, if that never happens, and they are unreasonable, then it would mean we would have gained nothing from an alliance to begin with. We have nothing to lose.
>>292 There’s definitely a type of “pagan” that is pure LARP, especially on imageboards. Think of the worst of the pagans as equivalent to “Deus vult” LARPers. Oftentimes though non-pagans focus too much on the worst of them. Pagans are actually an essential part of the modern white nationalist / fascist movement – for example it was a pagan who coined the 14 words (David Lane), pagans have set up communes like at Volksberg (Jost Turner) and it was been pagans who have been the tip of the spear in actively resisting ZOG – many of the members of The Order such as Robert Jay Mathews. Christianity, especially in America, is a deadly enemy of the white race. Utterly cucked, always on the defensive, always cucking to the left, preaching “love”, “forgiveness”, “compassion”, “tolerance”
>>292 >Young Pagans tend to act like vegans What worries me the most is that they appear less like Pagans and more like simple anti-christians with a viking aesthetic. They identity is based not on what they believe but instead on what they do not, like AntiFa. As long as this characterizes most of their movement, cooperation will be impossible. It's the inevitable result of two competing religions, both of which have ideological and historical reasons to oppose each other. The arguments of course have been done to death across countless different threads and boards, so I won't bring up either side's arguments. However, in my view as a pagan, Christians come off as defining themselves by their anti-paganism and anti-atheism just as much as pagan arguments do. >Although, they all behave once Codreanu enters the picture, so that gives me some hope, as this childish animosity has no real reason to exist and I am sure (((them))) are happy to hear us fight among fascists. This bit, as far as I am concerned, has nothing to do with his religion. Rather, it has everything to do with his heroism. No matter your religion, it is quite clear to all the Codreanu was a noble and heroic man till the end, so I, at the very least, must behave because of my respect for him. >Still, we cannot obligate them into cooperating with us, we must concentrate on revitalizing christianity, if they are reasonable people they will come and offer their friendship, if that never happens, and they are unreasonable, then it would mean we would have gained nothing from an alliance to begin with. We have nothing to lose. I am certainly willing to engage in an alliance with white Christians, because I understand that the defeat of the Jews and the restoration of our folks and our nations come before religion.
>>181 Those are 36 men forming the cross, or 3 squads. One squad short of forming a platoon. I wonder how many people would shit themselves if Christians started to form Cross Platoons in a liberal western country today.
>>294 >Oftentimes though non-pagans focus too much on the worst of them. The same goes for those who attack christianity, one should asume that the American —and modern— version of anything should not be used as a representative model, on the same way that the vocal, immature minority should not be used to assume pagan behavior. >>297 >I am certainly willing to engage in an alliance with white Christians, because I understand that the defeat of the Jews and the restoration of our folks and our nations come before religion I am sure anyone with more than a handful of braincells will come to that conclusion. Even if you see no reason to keep christianity around in the long-run it is strategically essential to put one of the biggest institutions on your side and keep it from being used against you; the revitalization of christianity and its subsequent use as a defense against modernity is within everybody's interests. So I would rather keep this tired argument for later.
Yes.
>>715 Oh sorry, accidentally posted without a password.
Dont let these people bother you. Just look at them.
>>721 Do you really want to get into the game of posting dumb pics back and forth? I fear you will lose.
>>723 >last pic >childrens whiter than the mother AND the father So the mother cheated on the father with a russian.
There was a lot of factional infighting, everyone is scattered- I only just found my way here yesterday. We've lost more bunkers than Siegfried. Why do the Germanic Pagan folk always fight with the Christian folk? There were lots of theological positions within the Reich and broader Fascist movement. The last thing we need is another Judean people's front/peoples front of Judea actually we don't need anything Judean
>>730 Bad timing, we're on our way to 8chan.moe/fascist. It's a bit more active.
>>730 People who just discovered something tend towards aggressiveness and loudness, think of the « We get it, you vape », it is to be expected from a young doctrine. I hope that as they mature they become more civil. As much as I would like to participate and defend my stance I believe it is better for a long-therm alliance to let them effervesce for a while, is not that they would listen to anyone but themselves anyways.
>>733 How many times are we gonna move ffs.
>>749 Hopefully not for a while now. We're set up pretty strong for the time being, I think. We have this place, for one, which at minimum is a good bunker or even secondary location for those who don't like 8chan.moe, and then we also got back all of our threads from Julay on that location. Hoppe-sama was a mistake retrospectively, but I guess everyone felt cheated by that, even beyond just us (Tengureich, etc)
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>>730 >Why do the Germanic Pagan folk always fight with the Christian folk? A small nitpick from me here, but it goes beyond merely Germanic pagans. The reasons for this are many, but the main ones are that Christianity is of course a foreign religion and not just a foreign religion, but one that teaches a type of morality that is directly detrimental to our survival as a people, i.e. slave morality. The lowly are good, the weak and meek are the good. The strong, proud, mighty and the like are reviled and cast as evil. This is fundamentally the basis of all mainstream politics today, which are obsessed with catering to the weak, depraved and inferior. I view Christianity as a form of poison that is killing our people. It is part of a larger Abrahamic family of thought, Semitic in character. It teaches you to be a doormat. I believe that David Lane summed up the predicament we're in perfectly: <1. Any religion or teaching which denies the Natural Laws of the Universe is false. <3. God and religion are distinct, separate and often conflicting concepts. Nature evidences the divine plan, for the natural world is the work of the force or the intelligence men call God. Religion is the creation of mortals, therefore predestined to fallibility. Religion may preserve or destroy a People, depending on the structure given by its progenitors, the motives of its agents and the vagaries of historical circumstances. https://archive.org/stream/88Precepts_937/88Precepts_djvu.txt Christianity, already a false religion, has become a destructive force and obstacle to our survival as a people Not only does Christianity set itself up for racial suicide, it sets its own God up for suicide by shifting the center of gravity of life out of life and into some mysterious “beyond”, into the afterlife, into nothingness. First monotheism demythologizes and desacralizes the world, saying that the nature pagans saw as alive with gods and spirits is dead, and then it consumes itself and falls victim to itself. The world desacralized there is no longer any place for the sacred, the Jewish god is dead, but his values live on in other forms of Jewish-influenced political strands like Marxism and liberalism. Not to mention that the concept of Hell is an obvious cope for betas and weaklings. lf you don’t obey the Jewish god you’re gonna burn in fire FOREVER, so don’t be bad! If you refrain from doing what we don’t want you do, you’re going to live in a paradise AFTER YOU DIE”. This strikes me as an obvious creation of humans.
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>>830 >shifting the center of gravity of life out of life and into some mysterious “beyond” >If you refrain from doing what we don’t want you do, you’re going to live in a paradise AFTER YOU DIE That is the concept of time and future presented in a spiritual way. >If you act retarded now, a higher being(time itself) will punish you This extended to your whole life. But I guess if you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, you can make all of it sound bad by putting jewish in front of it.
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>>852 Let's not pretend that 99% of actual practitioners of Abrahamic understand the idea of heaven and hell in this manner. >But I guess if you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, you can make all of it sound bad by putting jewish in front of it. I don't want to take responsibility for my actions? Lol wut? Christianity isn't bad because just because it's Jewish, but this is obviously an important part. First and foremost it's bad because it's false and undermines our people with slave morality.
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Which church is the closest to Christ's/God's true word? Ignoring their current current state, I am only interested in theory for now. Second, wat must be done about the (((Vatican)))? Its infiltration in obvious, but the Catholic population is not just going to change their fate just because you trow a bunch of buzzwords at them. >>730 >>830 >>852 >>854 I have nothing against friendly discussion, but this is a Christian thread, not the fifth Pagan thread in the catalog. I would take this discussion to >>639 if you are so obsessed in divisive activities
>>872 >but this is a Christian thread, not the fifth Pagan thread in the catalog. This is a good point, we do have a lot of pagan threads up. t. pagan
>>872 >Which church is the closest to Christ's/God's true word? I think that's a dynamic-situation question Anon. Satan obviously targets the biggest targets, causing division, strife, and embarrassment that eventually leads to the end of that group. God also obviously allows this to happen, probably to ensure little kingdoms of men don't get too deeply rooted in his Church, the literal Bride of Christ. Christ said, "You will know them by their fruits." Groups who are clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, casting out demons, healing the sick, raising the dead & loving one another, and doing it all in the name of Jesus Christ are a reasonably safe bet as being the current 'closest' to God's true Word. So it depends on the times. Derek Prince was one man in the recent past who did all these things. He wasn't really a part of any 'church' though many would probably label him as Pentecostal. One thing's for certain (for what it's really worth): the Orthodox Church has literally been the longest-enduring Christian Church through history, and unlike the Roman Church hasn't attempted to my knowledge to manipulates nations and states during their roughly 2'000 years of existence. They simply regularly congregate together, share the Word and their rituals, and break bread together. In a word, /comfy/.
I'm not a Christian but I've no issues with them if they are race-conscious and will fight at my side against globohomo. When Christianity became Roman state religion it became also kind of loaded with the empires still existing old raw strength and thus de-pozzed for thousand years. I think I like that period. People will say but muh old gods and I like the Roman pantheon but the truth is paganism was weak and had nothing to counter the new faith. Far more pagans became Christians by choice rather than being forced. The Germanic tribes that conquered the British Isles for example gave up their old religion all on their own so who am I judge.
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>>888 Well, at the very least we can be passing out condoms along with our food Anon. While the Christian church used to take a strong stance against globohomo, the gateway drug for all things -ism took a strong hold on us a while back, and we now entertain faggot 'ministers' and even worse, lesbians. So we may not have much to offer in that department by way of support for obviously Biblical morality. Truly strange circumstances tbh. Satan and his minions at work again. also: >those literally-hitler digits. True Christianity is in my opinion, not only the truth in fact, but is literally the only hope out there. Both for individual's salvations eternally, but also for nations to endure evil. But the basic message that this entire universe is temporal is a sobering point. Placing your hopes in this place is misguided to say the least.
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>>893 >But the basic message that this entire universe is temporal is a sobering point. Placing your hopes in this place is misguided to say the least. I see nothing necessarily sobering about the fact that this universe is temporal. It is simply a fact of existence. Reality is not defined by states of affairs that are static, immutable or permanent. This is just the nature of things. Reality is essentially process, movement, becoming, change, transformation, etc. Like Heraclitus said, panta rhei, everything flows. As more and more is learned about Nature, the clearer it becomes that Christian conceptions of the nature of things are just as misguided as primitive man seeing anthropomorphic deities as the agents at work beyond thunder, lightning, earthquakes, the motion of the planets, etc. These are clearly today no good for anything but poetic or allegorical ways to refer to these phenomenon. As time has passed the absurdity of a personal God has slowly been revealed as well when the idea that the rest of nature was created merely for the purpose of serving man was BTFO first by Copernicus with his death-blow to the geocentric dogma, but then Darwin to the anthropocentric worldview. Ever more clearly are we compelled by reflection to recognize that God is not to be placed over against the material world as an external being. The perfect God of goodness and love is laughable in face of the fact that nature is defined by the most brutal struggle and violence, or that the nature of man, like the rest of creation, is not static, it is evolving, and is not at the center of creation. Cosmotheism is the only worldview that can reconcile all of this and still show man his Purpose.
You don't have an answer where "Leftism" ultimately comes from. https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1270007244994863104 https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1270009608321601536 https://twitter.com/hocmountain/status/1270373350066597888 https://www.newstatesman.com/dominion-making-western-mind-tom-holland-review Tell us the big difference between destroying pagan places and tearing down statues of Confederates or Mao's antics. Also, Abrahamism is the father of Leftism.
>>905 >Abrahamism is the father of Leftism. This is the most retarded take I've heard this week, and I visited /dup/ a few days ago. All Abrahamic religions (especially Judaism and Islam) are right or far-right, even perversions like Mormonism. Tradition, pro-hierarchy, pro-order, hell they're all famous for killing gays and keeping women in their place.
>>922 So is Stalin.
>>922 All that and you still don't have an answer to how Western Leftism came to be. Or how every last one of those is "univeralist" in one or another (even the Old Testament has a woman get leprosy for her complaints about Moses miscegenating). Or how the Old Testament history has been discredited by actual science (see the utter failure to find evidence of the Exodus).
>>922 Abrahamism is the father of leftist, period. It's a hard truth to come to as a Christian, I'm sure, but it's true. What is Abrahamism? Abrahamism is a term which describes a handful of religions, ideologies and currents of thought which follow ideas of linear / vectorial views of history, possibility of redemption or salvation, polarization between good and evil, moral universalism, moral absolutism, etc. They are ideologies which permit no pluralism of thought, they are totalitarian in the most negative of senses. Slave morality is likewise common to them all, as are the seeds of egalitarianism in spiritual equality. All leftist presuppositions about reality (egalitarianism, guilt complexes, slave morality, moralizing despite having no basis for their beliefs) are all due to Christianity. Leftism is built on the corpse of Yahweh. Even Friedrich Engels could recognize the similarities between the worker's movement and early Christianity: >The history of early Christianity has notable points of resemblance with the modern working-class movement. Like the latter, Christianity was originally a movement of oppressed people: it first appeared as the religion of slaves and emancipated slaves, of poor people deprived of all rights, of peoples subjugated or dispersed by Rome. Both Christianity and the workers' socialism preach forthcoming salvation from bondage and misery; Christianity places this salvation in a life beyond, after death, in heaven; socialism places it in this world, in a transformation of society. Both are persecuted and baited, their adherents are despised and made the objects of exclusive laws, the former as enemies of the human race, the latter as enemies of the state, enemies of religion, the family, social order. And in spite of all persecution, nay, even spurred on by it, they forge victoriously, irresistibly ahead. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894/early-christianity/
>>929 >All that and you still don't have an answer to how Western Leftism came to be. Mostly resulting from the Renaissance movement and so-called Enlightenment age, prompting revolt against long-lasting Christian belief system. >Or how every last one of those is "univeralist" in one or another That's a ploy the degenerate churches made (and mostly don't believe) to gain obedience of hell-bound people. What the fuck is the point of Hell if no-one goes there? Small bits of 'oh but what about the time that ...' doesn't disprove the bigger picture. >Or how the Old Testament history has been discredited by actual science Irrelevant regardless of if true or not. Post-1920s science is a jew.
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>>936 >Post-1920s science is a jew. Pre-1920s science already BTFO all Abrahamic religions. National Socialism is the only path forward.
>>942 Not enough for Hitler to get rid of it
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>>905 >Comes to a Literal Christian Thread just to start fights >Just after Christians and Pagans showing respect for one-another >While using somewhat cookie-cutter language Are you a D&C agent?
>>957 He has the entire world controlled by International Jews against him, and still managed to nearly succeed in doing so. >>958 Unlikely, their efforts are spent mostly on places with more activity especially right now, like /pnd/ on 8kunt where they are currently trying to goad Anons into going and starting shit with the rioters/terrorist subversives.
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>>958 >Are you a D&C agent? It's important to address, regardless, I think. If something is subversive or has potentially suspect links, it needs to be discussed
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>>971 Organized? Yes. But is reasonable to believe the idea of a lone individual just following his nature and promoting divisive doctrines, completely disregarding the « Unity » of Fascism under egoistic goals, in other words, he is just immature, the word « Agent » was a bit too strong, at most he only sees himself like one. >>1003 I think someone already said it, that the church is a big target, so subverting and controlling it is step 0. The way (((They))) work is not some cartoonish pure-evil way, they take what is already there—Being followers of Lucifer; they are unable to create anything themselves—, be it benign or good, and then twist it in half-truths and fallacies until it works for them. This makes it difficult to get rid of subverting elements as when you boil it down they are useful or desirable. Would you get rid of the entire field of psychology just because Jews used it as a theme-park for decades? Physics? Art? The same with Christianity, like it or not, Christianity must be on our side if we are to pretend to have an opportunity to win, we must appropriate it, deny Them any ground to stand on and use it against Them. >Nietzsche If you understood what he mean you would not use him as a « Christcucks BTFO! ».
Jesus was a Kike.
>>1007 >Would you get rid of the entire field of psychology just because Jews used it as a theme-park for decades? Physics? Art? The same with Christianity The problem with this reasoning is that the fields / disciplines of psychology, art and physics all exist independently of a historical link with Judaism, unlike Christianity. We can never forget the the great body of Christian ethical doctrines which are accepted by nearly all the churches but which conflict with White spirituality and the needs for White survival, such as the Sermon on the Mount; and of the body of Old Testament and its Jewish mythology — such as the creation myth of Genesis; the “chosen people” myth, and Isaiah’s ravings against all non-Jews, together with his prophecies that the Jews will eventually rule the world and all other races will serve them — which comes along with most versions of Christianity. Regardless, if one, despite all of this, must remain Christian, I am not going to sperg out if they are pro-white and do not derail our movement with their religion
>>1078 That is why all proper Christian organizations pay more attention to the New Testament and Jesus Christ, he and not jewish myths is the center-piece of all. I think only American so-called « Christians » emphasize jews, everyone else sees with as « The had their opportunity and they killed the Son of God; they choose their path as being against Christ, therefore they are against God, they are Satan » So, no Christian Fascists will ever defend Judaism
>>1084 Jesus was a Jew.
>>1084 >That is why all proper Christian organizations pay more attention to the New Testament and Jesus Christ, he and not jewish myths is the center-piece of all. The New Testament is undoubtedly just more Jewish mythmaking though. The two are connected. For example we see in the Gospel of Matthew that the author attempts to lay out the entire geneology of Jesus from Abraham, David, Solomon and a whole line of kikes all the way to him, if we are to accept this account for a moment at face value. And of course Luke does the exact same thing but differently. And then of course there's emphasis on Jesus fulfilling alleged messianic prophecies straight from the Old Testament. >The had their opportunity and they killed the Son of God; they choose their path as being against Christ, therefore they are against God, they are Satan » The problem here is that you're viewing Judaism through too religious of a lens. It's racial. Jews remains Jews even if they are Christians. Judaism itself is an organization of the Jewish people for their preservation and domination of gentile societies (whether consciously constructed this way or not). The Jewish mindset does not come from Judaism, it comes from within themselves.
>>1086 >Nazarene Fixed that for you
>>1181 >>1086 jew, fixed it for both of you.
>>1181 >akshually he’s from this city with a Hebrew name Kek. Next you’re gonna try to tell us that he’s a “Judean” and not a Jew, aren’t you, as if the two aren’t etymologically identical.
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>>1088 Well, I guess there is no way of convincing you. While I appreciate and will accept your friendly approach I cannot help to doubt if I can trust you under these conditions, specially since I proposed reason to pretend friendliness. But it would be my fault to lose to something I can see comming years ahead, so I will try not to be rude. >>881 I agree in manny aspects of the orthodox church. its more decentralized nature, but hard traditional doctrine, makes them harder to subvert. Plus they follow Christ's lifestyle more closely.
https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1271048686454398976 >This Protestant Christian, who is upset about the erasure of his history by Communists, will get VERY upset if you point out that HIS co-religionists have done the *exact same thing* to European history, numerous times over the past 1700 or so years https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1271405179934515200 >Paganism is characterized as "superstition" whereas similar Christian practices are seen to have a legitimate rationale. >is spun as an inevitable progressive development from polytheism >Christian violence against Pagans is denied using post-modern semantic pilpul http://marginalia.lareviewofbooks.org/late-antiquity-dissolves-by-anthony-kaldellis/
https://twitter.com/Chandala_Nath/status/1271236505718026240 >Your analysis is doomed to be incomplete if you don't go all the way and repudiate Christianity (of which liberalism is but an offshoot) itself. Is not today's statue-destruction you despair born of the same fanatic impulse that led early Christians to destroy Pagan idols? https://twitter.com/Chandala_Nath/status/1271599815684571136
What's the best denomination in christianity and why is it protestant?
>>1367 Protestant's are even worse since they're even bigger Wannabe Jews.
>>1217 If we want to be nit-picky neither Judea nor Samaria, were ethno-states or by any means lived only jews there. It was a typical Levantine multi-racial and multi-religions genetic hell-hole puddle of filth. We really have no way of knowing what Jesus was racially or religion-wise though admittedly some form of kikehood is likely. That having been said, literally most of Abrahamic religions and sects have their main ideas derived from much older Mesopotamian, for example Babylonian or Sumerian and Hittite religious text. Judaism is not the starting point of all, it's just the starting point of the corruption.
>>1373 >>1367 >Protestant's are even worse since they're even bigger Wannabe Jews. This unfortunately. American protestants literally adore kikes while Anglican and continental protestants have become a hard left semi-religious political party cult (that also adores kikes). That's sad in particular since Luther was absolutely red-pilled on kikes. He also didn't mean to split the church and was just legitimately infuriated by what the degeneracy and corruption of what would later become the catholic church.
>>1356 He's not wrong, unfortunately. It's troubling how the Bolshevism of the ancient world has rooted itself in our societies to such a degree that people are unable to critically examine its roots and its offspring (Marxism, liberalism, leftism in general). I understand to a degree why it is so difficult though, as it involves calling into question the last two millennia of European history.
http://archive.vn/ktbeI http://archive.vn/Ro8IV Tom Holland whoops some Neocon faggot. triggered at him noting how Abrahamic the chimpouts are. Bonus: https://unherd.com/2020/06/america-is-the-greatest-story-ever-told/
>>1423 Always a good laugh to see Abrahamists of all varieties whooped on, and nice to see he makes the connection between Marxism and Christianity. I enjoyed Holland's translation of Herodotus' Histories.
i think its of poor taste for people to attack Christianity in a thread like this. this wasnt supposed to be an anti-christian thread.
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>>1454 I already told them, they just keep posting ebin proof of Christian oppression of pagans, not even replying to someone, just posting at random
This division is pointless. Christians should have their own thread and not have polytheists try to chase them off. This subversion of our nations would have come about regardless of our religion and it's telling that 150 years ago our ancestors were christian and nowhere near as cucked as the sorry excuses we see today. Go even further back and it would have seemed that the roman tradition of conquest was an integral part of christianity.
>>1474 >This subversion of our nations would have come about regardless of our religion >He says this when the Far East outside of the biggest American puppets are less cucked >150 years ago our ancestors were christian and nowhere near as cucked as the sorry excuses we see today. You really need to read Tom Holland.
>>1498 there is a book, an opinion, and a quote to support anything. this isnt a christian hate thread
>>1474 >This subversion of our nations would have come about regardless of our religion This is quite the claim. >it's telling that 150 years ago our ancestors were christian and nowhere near as cucked as the sorry excuses we see today. This is due to the fact that 150 years ago there was no way to carry about modern propaganda techniques and there was no consumerist society or meaningless wagecuck lives (though in 1870 the pozz was beginning to set in rapidly with this latter issue). I'd argue that even though Christianity as a religion has declined, we as a society have became more Abrahamic in attitudes. Religion is a product of man, and it's clear that Christianity is a deadly enemy to our race today. Everything great that happened from the Christianization of the Empire to the modern day happened in spite of Christianity, not because of it. I have seen so many Christians on the Internet try to claim that the greatest of our people was a result of Christianity and not us as ourselves. If we had been more Christian we would have been even more decadent!
>>1502 >This is quite the claim. Romans were already experiencing moral degeneration bu the time Christianity was just developing. No religion is immune to subversion, the only thing that makes paganism special in this regard is how insignificant of a target it is nowadays, not like Zog is not already taking bites at you. Give it a few generations and they would have found all manner of things in paganism to support their plans. Blaming all modern problems to christianity is overly convenient and lazy thinking, as if things were that simple. And by partaking in it you are wasting your time, criticizing the world but doing nothing yourself, and dividing are the antithesis of Fascism.
>>1515 I see Christianity as part and parcel of the degeneracy of the latter days of the Empire. The mistake you're making in this post is assuming that I am a pagan in the sense classically understood. As I say in my previous post, religion is a product of man, that, depending on historical circumstances, can make or break a people. I myself know that from my reading that paganism is not just the anthropomorphization of the forces of nature, resulting in a polytheistic worldview, but this was its origin, and even educated Romans and Greeks had begun to understand this - this should not be understood necessarily as any move towards atheism, quite the opposite they were very religious. The pagan spirit though is less of a harm to the white race than is Christianity. The pagan spirit is a natural reaction of the Aryan spirit to the wonders of the natural world. Paganism, especially in its most exoteric senses, is to my mind just as obsolete as believing in Yahweh or a Jew nailed to a stick. Also, Christianity is not being blamed for "all modern problems". Not in the slightest. It's contingent on the JQ to a large extent, in other ways it's not.
>>1519 That is where we disagree, I see religion as something beyond man and it's limitations. Reducing the holy to fit the mundane is a very atheist thing to do.
>>1523 >Reducing the holy to fit the mundane is a very atheist thing to do. Not necessarily — if one views 'God' and religion as distinct and conflicting concepts, this would make perfect sense. David Lane said it best in the 88 Precepts: >Nature evidences the divine plan, for the natural world is the work of the force or the intelligence men call God. Religion is the creation of mortals, therefore predestined to fallibility. Religion may preserve or destroy a People, depending on the structure given by its progenitors, the motives of its agents and the vagaries of historical circumstances. All evidence points to the vast majority of religions today as false and in conflict with the Laws of Nature. Any religion, ideology or teaching which denies these Laws are false. Now are they wholly false? No. If they utterly denied and contravened the Laws of Nature the teaching would not even survive or find followers.
>>1501 Stick to your Harry Potter and Marvel movies. >>1515 >Romans were already experiencing moral degeneration bu the time Christianity was just developing. The moral degeneration you speak of was key to Christianity finding its place. The Roman elites needing something, a worldview, to maintain the empire and especially their power in it. The elites accepted Christianity since it gave them the means to both keep their power and maintain the empire thanks to its teachings.
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>>1501 >this isnt a christian hate thread Not with that attitude
>>1502 I never said christianity was responsible for the empire's achievements. I don't believe in it, but the christians are right when they say that christianity is by large from a european background. Is it completely aryan in it's conception? No, but besides the core and the overall monotheism (which isn't even really monotheism in the conventional sense) it is European from the greek philosophy to the traditional holidays that it co-opted from the old traditions. Trying to revive Indo-European metaphysics is fine but it's ridiculous to demonize christianity when the population is still mostly christian with atheism following behind.
>>1498 >He says this when the Far East outside of the biggest American puppets are less cucked Most far east countries are being subverted
Maybe instead of fighting with each other we should just get along
>>1555 >it's ridiculous to demonize christianity when the population is still mostly christian with atheism following behind. Debatable. Most of the population wants nothing to do with white nationalism or a life that isn't just being a consumer either, but we still have to call them out for it regardless of how many people it might upset. This said, as a White Nationalist, when I talk to people IRL, I don't spend much time attacking Christianity, hardly any at all. I mainly spend time talking about the most important issues, i.e. demographic change, race, degeneracy, the JQ and the stuff that we all agree on here. I recently told a guy IRL that Jesus is teaching him to be a doormat and he just chuckled, but that's just me throwing shade as part of a larger discussion. If I go out there and start preaching MIGHT IS RIGHT, KIKE ON A STICK off the bat, I'm gonna push people away from me. As long as they understand the issues and aren't cucked by their morality I let them believe what they like. I do attack if they say "b-b-b-but Jewsus said...."
I think the anti christian sentiment is overly fanatical
>>1572 >I think the anti christian sentiment is overly fanatical I think so too but it really depends where you've grown up I guess. People who haven't experienced much influence by Christians or faux Christians like me tend to be more sympathetic and look fondly back to a religion that gave us the crusades. If you were raised in a small town in rural America among insanely retarded evangelicals you probably hate those crazy fanatics with a passion.
>>1575 If I grew-up with the American-version of anything I would too end-up hating it. There is something about that country that turns everything into the worst version of itself. Good thing I grew-up in a family that takes the « Help yourself so I [God] can help you » axion as the main lesson from Christianity, meaning that we never ask for God's help, instead do everything ourselves and so God manifests trough that work. Almost everyone I have meet who is deeply religious is a hypocrite, like they try to use religion as a way to fix themselves instead of taking responsibility. Yes, come as you are, but you must too put in the work to change, Christ is there to pick you up again if you fall, not do everything for you. All these people have also being protestants of the American variety, they act like a franchising company instead of a church.
>>1572 All issues affecting our people need to be addressed.
I look at it from the view that if most fascist parties historically emphasized christianity as a core element of themselves then there's no need to rail against it so much. Christians on this board will agree that christianity has been hijacked by a (((certain element))) to suit it's needs. There's no need to push them away.
>>1590 >most fascist parties historically emphasized christianity as a core element of themselves then there's no need to rail against it so much At most they took a secular stance where it was to be seen as a private concern so long as it did not interfere with or subvert the state (such as in Mosley's writings). In the 25-point program of the NSDAP they say that they demand liberty for all religious denominations in the state, again so long as they do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. And then Giovanni Gentile writes in Origins and Doctrine of Fascism that state authority is paramount above all and that morality and religion are to be subordinated to it. It seems more to me that from a theoretical standpoint - and to me this is what matters most rather than how things played out historically - that religion has always played a subordinate role. Any pandering towards Christianity seems more akin to deal with a matter-of-fact rather something that was all-important. It'd be like being an American and not paying lip-service to ideas of liberty. There has always been an anti-Christian undercurrent, and it has, curiously enough, grown in strength from 1945 on
>>1588 (Heil'd) You can address issues without being a complete spastic about it. Instead of attaching a fellow fascist, or promoting bridge-burning we should concentrate in more productive things. Pagans are so volatile that I feel that I have to be overly cautious with the examples I use so they do not drown threads in >>1473 . I always thought little of communities that need disclaimers like « Warning, this post contains references to X. This is my opinion and it is fine that you disagree :) », but now I am starting to consider using something similar, as to not trigger pagans into derailing threads towards themselves and how oppressed they have being. And speaking of the devil; Yes, I know these are most likely a few very-active posters who are responsible for this. These are most likely young atheists, LARPing as Vikings, and trying to convince themselves that they are not atheists anymore. No one with confidence over what they believe acts this defensive. But their activities are making Pagans look as hard to work with, while spreading half-truths and parroting cherry-picked and out-of-context facts about christianity to fit their rhetoric, classic D&C. This thread is for Christian fascist to discuss about christianity and its posible interactions with Fascism. re-taking it from ZOG, not pointing-out what appears to be obvious by everyone and leaving it there. The « What » and the « Why » are not enough, complaining without thoughtful solutions is a waste of time. Thus, Let's stop this divisive attitude and work together, each on our side in manners like this, but under cooperation. I would hate to go trough manny migrations due to drama, website shutdown or failure just to have ourselves be the ones that destroy the board.
>>1592 Nice of you to only name the two parties that emphasized secularism over religiosity. You think the fascists in OP's pic aren't putting their christian religion and traditions at the forefront of their minds?
>>1595 >These are most likely young atheists, LARPing as Vikings, and trying to convince themselves that they are not atheists anymore. How come I do not see any of these mythical Viking LARPers anywhere on this board?
>>1575 >Crusades They weren't done in the name of the White Race. Lay off the memes. >>1590 >hijacked by a (((certain element))) Jesus was a Semite.
>>1619 Okay? It doesn't change the fact that Europe has been christian for 1000+ years which has undoubtedly left it's mark on Europeans and vice versa.
>>1622 >which has undoubtedly left it's mark on Europeans and vice versa. Yes, unfortunately. I have a feeling that Christcucks in general are more attracted to the specifically White elements of Christianity rather than anything else, i.e. the music, the art, the architecture and the like. No one can doubt that there are many beautiful Christian-inspired pieces of great beauty, or magnificent cathedrals scattered across Europe. The final redpill though is that it is not Christianity we must thank for these, but the great potential within our own White race-soul. Christianity is not an essential ingredient to our greatness, and it in fact has become a hindrance.
>>1625 Maybe so, but without it Europe would have been deprived of the likes of Charlamange who healed Europe and made it a force to stand against the muslim wave to come in his time. The art and philosophy associated with the triumvirate. We had the potential but without a catalyst these things wouldn't have graced Europe. We were better off being a faithful people than one that attributes their gods to mere physical phenomenon like the Egyptians evolved their theistic beliefs to be.
>>1628 If a politically fragmented and pagan Greece was able to hold off a massive invasion from Persia not once but twice, I have faith that it could be done against Muslim hordes as well. >We were better off being a faithful people than one that attributes their gods to mere physical phenomenon like the Egyptians evolved their theistic beliefs to be. This view of paganism is the most primitive one that is often actively mocked and challenged by pagan philosophers themselves if one takes the time to read works such as Cicero's The Nature of the Gods. There was much speculation in this territory. Personally I see no more reason to believe in a plethora of pagan personifications of nature than I do some sort of personal Abrahamic deity he is wholly separate from the universe. There was nothing lacking in Europe prior to Christianity.
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>>1636 Speaking of Japan, it is very curious how much of what Japanese critics of Christianity like nationalist Aizawa Seishisai said is directly in line with what many people here believe. Do Christians consider him to be a viking LARPer too? >Aizawa saw Christianity as a religion founded upon the principle that all people are equal in the eyes of God. To him, this notion was a clever deceit and a highly effective weapon. It posed no small threat to Japan because of its irresistible appeal to the lower classes. It taught them the seductive fiction that all people universally deserve God's love, and that this love is a power greater even than the authority of a local samurai, a daimyou, a shougun or even an emperor. "It's main doctrines are simple to grasp and well-contrived; they can easily deceive stupid commoners with it" (Source: Evanescence and Form by Charles Shiro Inouye)
>>1636 You're not posting anything I haven't posted in the past. I grew out of bitching about christian iconoclasm in the classical era. The fact of the matter is that christian fascists aren't any less cucked than pagans whether you want to believe that or not.
>>1644 >I grew out of bitching about christian iconoclasm in the classical era. Don't you care about the immense loss of knowledge about our own history that came about through this? Statues destroyed and defaced, oral histories of druids and other priests totally forgotten without a trace, philosophical works destroyed, schools of philosophy closed, etc etc. They behaved like Muslims. I'm not a Vargfag who will spend everyday crying about how the mean Christians did these things, but it's a tragedy for all European people nonetheless. >The fact of the matter is that christian fascists aren't any less cucked than pagans whether you want to believe that or not. Debatable again. The Iron Guard - a group that I very much admire - appears to me to be the exception rather than the rule. 99.9% of Christians are nothing like that in the slightest
>>1649 Why would I complain if I can't change it? I am disappointed by the loss but there's nothing to be done. This is a cycle that has happened throughout history to civilizations older than the romans. Hitler is perhaps right when he criticised the neo-pagans of his day. It's a constant fight to preserve that which couldn't survive the onslaught instead of creating new conceptions of metaphysics native to the European mind. >The Iron Guard - a group that I very much admire - appears to me to be the exception rather than the rule. 99.9% of Christians are nothing like that in the slightest I hope you realize most fascists are the exception in society.
>>1654 >Why would I complain if I can't change it? There's a difference, I think, between thinking that it is a shame that something happened and throwing a tantrum over the fact that it happened despite it having happened and there's nothing we can do about, so in that sense we agree. >Hitler is perhaps right when he criticised the neo-pagans of his day. Yes, he was mainly talking about LARPers with spiked helmets and axes from what I remember in MK, i.e. the lowest form of pagan. I myself criticize those who merely want to bring back a 1:1 version of the old ways. For one, this is impossible, but two, it would be somewhat artificial in a sense. Those were the natural religious predilections and compounded traditions of our people in diverse locations stretching out from nearly the dawn of time as far as I'm concerned. The chain has been broken, but genetically-speaking we're not that different from our ancestors. There are some stuff which can be drawn from that is self-evidently true, other things which will be updated. Of course I'm talking mainly in the philosophical realm here, in the larger social realm, National Socialism itself was a new religion which strove to implement the eternal Laws of Nature in the social and political realms. You're definitely not wrong that it is our task to create "new conceptions of metaphysics native to the European mind." >I hope you realize most fascists are the exception in society. And the Iron Guard is an exception within an exception.
>>1656 >And the Iron Guard is an exception within an exception The falange, rexists, austrofascists, etc.
Yes. Well, probably no, but if you have any sort of respect as an Aryan man you would NOT worship the god of israel as your savior, whilst hating the jews.
>>1674 Literally any Aryan man born before 1950 was a Christian including everybody in based Germany. Wehrmacht soldier were still like 99% Christian, at least nominal, as can be seen by way of burial. SS may be 80%. I respect them totally.
>>1676 And the West has been on a downwaed spiral for centuries. So?
>>1676 I can forgive people back in the day to an extent. They lived in homogeneous communities and lived simple lives. They didn't have to worry about problems like active white genocide, multiculturalism and like, not to mention that it was much harder to get access to information about Christianity and its origins I assume, at least for those who were average Joes. I do not think it is totally by coincidence that in the post-WWII period pro-white politics has become more and more anti-Christian.
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>>181 Hey OP what do you think of these? Are we soldiers of Christ now? '''APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD to Catholics and all people of good will''' (red-pill on the panda flu) https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/ excerpt >We have reason to believe, on the basis of official data on the incidence of the epidemic as related to the number of deaths, that there are powers interested in creating panic among the world’s population with the sole aim of permanently imposing unacceptable forms of restriction on freedoms, of controlling people and of tracking their movements. The imposition of these illiberal measures is a disturbing prelude to the realization of a world government beyond all control. >Every effort must be made to ensure that shady business interests do not influence the choices made by government leaders and international bodies. >A democratic and honest debate is the best antidote to the risk of imposing subtle forms of dictatorship, presumably worse than those our society has seen rise and fall in the recent past. >With faith, let us beseech the Lord to protect the Church and the world. May the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians, crush the head of the ancient Serpent and defeat the plans of the children of darkness. Letter to Trump by anti-globalist(?) clergy https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now excerpt >In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. >We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. >They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those who want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches. Freemasons is code for Jew in the catholic church, I hear, correct?
>>1861 >Freemasons is code for Jew in the catholic church, I hear, correct? Basically, Traditionally those two were seen as Lucifer worshipers. Reality puts them on a different light; Freemasons are useful goyim under the direct control of Jews, they are just stupid, not in the same level as Jews.
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>>1854 I'm not even Christian, but Codreanu is an absolute hero. He and his movement fought tirelessly against the Jew and the traitors in government, suffering beatings, prison sentences and multiple crackdowns, all for going to the people and helping them and fighting for their own self-preservation. On top of that Codreanu had balls, he shot a snitch on site, he killed the cop who abused his men in the middle of a courtroom and he wasn't afraid to give his life for Romania. Everyone needs to read 'For My Legionaries'. It puts Mein Kampf to shame, and I say this as a Hitler fanboy
>>1876 I read it and did a book report on it when I was still in Uni taking my last English class. It was inspiring. It also brought me a bit of despair, I'll admit reluctantly. Despair that I don't know anyone of his zeal in real life. I can't even say I myself share that zeal, ashamedly. Or maybe I do and I just don't notice it.
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>>2005 >It was inspiring. It also brought me a bit of despair, I'll admit reluctantly. No need to feel reluctant, I would not be surprised if many people shared your feelings on this matter, I know I did. It's been a while since I read it now, but to see them try to do all of these things for the peasants and to have them continuously be harassed by the kikes and government was seriously depressing and vexing to read. And then it ended on such a sudden note, only to read that Codreanu had been executed. I knew it was coming but it was one of those moments when you can only think "wow". I felt the same way about reading about a man of such character as you did. It really made me realize that everyone, myself included to a degree, has been turned into such domesticated pussies by modernity. If, no actually, when I decide to finally attempt to serve our people IRL one day, I hope to have even 100th of his ability. Concerning yourself, you never know until you're in the moment.
>>2023 If you’ll remember in the book, Codreanu boarded a train or something doing political campaigning, and he received enormous support from virtually every town he passed by, and he was surprised. It was the latent energy of the populace, everybody probably kept their sentiments hidden and finally had the chance to stand up when one man took a risk when he could take no more. I’ve always dreamed of being a leader, not necessarily just like Codreanu, but he’s a good example, so I got goosebumps when I read about his somewhat successful movement awakening the deeply held resentment everyone felt.
>>2110 The people seemed to truly love Codreanu. It's been a while now since I've read the book, but that definitely has stayed in my mind. Like every true leader, he seemed to be firmly rooted in both the blood of his people and the soil. It is sad that we never got to see him heading a Romanian government. The best we got was the Iron Guard being co-opted and destroyed by Antonescu. Even after the war there were still cells of legionaries resisting the communist takeover and the prisons were filled with legionaries. Tragic stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Gavril%C4%83_Ogoranu >awakening the deeply held resentment everyone felt. I only hope that people can be awakened today. I feel as if they know that there is something wrong, but they do not know what.
>>2114 There's a book about the communist gulags in post-Iron Guard Romania regarding the methods the reds used to break former Iron Guard members. Do you happen to know what I'm talking about? I forgot the name of the book and would like to locate it.
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>>2119 No, I am not aware of that book, unfortunately. I'm really curious about it though now that you mention it. I do have a recommendation for all fans of the Iron Guard though. This is an academic text but it's very informative and objective, I thought. It fills in a lot of gaps that one doesn't get from reading 'For My Legionaries', since, as readers will know, there's a gap of several years between the end of Codreanu's narrative and the postscript where he is assassinated where they did all sorts of things like assassinate prime ministers.
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>>2114 >>2023 >>1876 I love this passage in picture related. From the book of a Hungarian Jewish author/historian (widely published, this isn't some random guy, his name is Nicholas Nagy-Talavera). Don't mind the [citation needed] it's from "The Green Shirts and the Others: A History of Fascism in Hungary and Rumania" He so utterly embodied the spirit of his people, he was like a spirit of the land itself. Gives me chills.
>>2168 >He so utterly embodied the spirit of his people, he was like a spirit of the land itself. Gives me chills. That's exactly the vibe that he gives me, especially from that passage alone. I only hope that we will all live to see such a perfect embodiments of our respective peoples arise in our life-times. More than anything else we need true leaders.
>tfw no Codreanu gf
Are there any good books on Christian Fascism besides Codreanu?
>>1515 Convenient, lazy, and very obviously part of the Protestant heresies. Remember that Mussolini defended the Church in his day. /fascist/ should follow the Italian gentleman's model.
>>2314 >Remember that Mussolini defended the Church in his day If Mussolini was alive today he'd realize that the Church is an absolute joke. Christianity and the Church are not a static entities
>>2322 He realized how stupid it is to pick a fight with the church, specially in very religious nations >Christianity and the Church are not a static entities Which is why leading change to go for the support of Fascism is a valid plan >>2222 My conscience says this is wrong, but those digits say otherwise
what do you guys think about some of the rules of amish culture that prevent things like jews and niggers taking over? they dont beleive in banks, and besides the fact no nigger would want to live like they do, they have a strict rule where they dont marry outside their community making them a seperate race of people almost compared to other white americans. these two things are in contrast to criticisms of christian culture in regards to race.
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>>2392 They're a healthier community than the surrounding degenerate America, however they only are permitted at the whim of ZOG. They're extremely cucked when it comes to their beliefs on violence. If ZOG ever decided to pop their little they wouldn't even resist. Back in 2006 some faggot murdered five little girls in an Amish schoolhouse and the Amish cucked so hard, even attending the funeral of the man who pumped their daughters full of lead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nickel_Mines_School_shooting#Amish_community_response
>>2395 one huge positive about the Amish is their immense fertility rate paired with the tradition of having their kids go out into the 'normal' world when they turn 18 for a while and choosing whether to stay in normal society or go back to the Amish community, kind of pouring their excess Amish into the general white community and bolstering it a bit. With white liberals having essentially no children and white conservatives only reaching the replacement rate, eventually this will become a fairly significant portion of the white population, the former Amish. Though if this is really a good thing remains to be seen, it stands to reason that only the more materialistic and even hedonistic Amish decide to leave, but we can hope that at the very least they retain some sense of community and family values and bring that into society at large.
>>2392 Didn't some amish defectors say that amish people are a bit fucked up?
>>2676 Even if some have said this, there's always reason to wonder (1) why they are saying this and (2) fucked up by whose standards. Anabaptists are very collectivistic compared to our atomized society and in some ways could be seen by our standards as restrictive to individuality, choice and oppressive towards women.
My relationship with Christianity is a complicated one due to it's Hebrew origins, i do think ancient Christianity was significantly less cucked than it's modern equivalent and although i favor paganism and esotericism/the occult more i do still enjoy the christian and medieval/Gothic aesthetic, i also take a liking to the warrior culture of the Teutonic order and the knights Templar, but one thing i cannot forgive Christianity for it's involvement with the death of Rome.
>>181 Nope.
>>2740 What I did was realize that much of the Christian aesthetic that many Whites are proud of or that they admire is less a product of Christianity itself, than it is a product of White genius itself. European greatness in the periods after Rome is, how I see it, in spite of Christianity rather than because of it. Now in the era where Christianity has entered a great decline and is in fact becoming even more cucked and meek (truer to itself!) we need to learn as a people to step over it and begin anew. I admire paganism, but a reconstruction of its most outward aspects is not enough. A true renaissance is coming
>Alexamenos worships [his] God
>>3240 nice find >“The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black, >While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair. >Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw, >And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods >Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape >Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own.” ― Xenophanes
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>>3265 Now this is a good strategic use of Xenophanes top kek
Christianbros—how the hell does the mind of your purple-pilled co-religionists even work? I have been redpilling someone in real life slowly on the Jews for a few weeks, and I was contacted by this friend today. He told me that he was now in a spiritual crisis due to what I've showed him. He said that there were two alternatives—either the Jews "have a sinister plot that needs stopped or the Jews are following gods plan and today was a sign " "today was a sign" refers to some mention of the Holohoax that he heard today. Apparently he thinks this might be a "sign from God" that the Jews are following God's plan even though I've showed this dude tons and tons of evidence of Jewish communist involvement, subversion, the truth behind WWII, Talmudic flip-flopping morality, etc. You can't make this shit up.
>>5533 >some mention of the Holohoax that he heard today How can that be a sign if that happens all the time? either he's grasping at straws to avoid the harsh reality or he's getting gangstalked.
>>5536 >How can that be a sign if that happens all the time? Beats me. He was apparently trading insults with his younger brother and his brother called him a Jew (based middle schooler it seems like), causing his father to reprimand him and mention that "we don't speak about Jews like that because of the Holocaust". This was a "sign" potentially. He's just getting hit hard by the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. He wouldn't have thought anything of some mention of the Holocaust if I hadn't blasted his head full of redpills. A week or so ago I showed him Eric Dubay's Adolf Hitler documentary that is full of pieces of Hellstorm and TGSNT and he seemed somewhat intrigued, but yesterday I pulled up my computer and went through with him on Wikipedia through every major media boss and prominent kike I could think of along with all of the big communist names. I might have made him overdose on redpills, I don't know. This guy has talked to me about mundane things being "signs" before too as well.
>>1640 >>Aizawa saw Christianity as a religion founded upon the principle that all people are equal in the eyes of God. To him, this notion was a clever deceit and a highly effective weapon. It posed no small threat to Japan because of its irresistible appeal to the lower classes. It taught them the seductive fiction that all people universally deserve God's love, and that this love is a power greater even than the authority of a local samurai, a daimyou, a shougun or even an emperor. "It's main doctrines are simple to grasp and well-contrived; they can easily deceive stupid commoners with it" Now that's a based Jap. Wish we had more Japs like him around.
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Can we ban Synarchist Spic already? He's even posting cuckime now.
>>5563 >because of its irresistible appeal to the lower classes On that regard, why is there the meme of the higher classes hating the poorer ones? Why not help them? This is ofc in the situation where it's in a homogeneous country (aka Japan).
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>>5533 Some people cannot be convinced to changed their views even in the face of overwhelming evidence. If it makes you feel better, it is possible for a few people to change. I spoke to a friend recently that lives in LA. His parents are commie boomers and he sort of held some communist beliefs including pro refugee and loving Mexicans immigrants. When we actually talked, i asked him what he thought about the chimp outs and he told me he hated the niggers who were doing and unironically considered leaving the state and buying a gun to defend himself from the nigs. He also said that whenever he saw a black person he started to get nervous and almost feared for his life. It was an impressive change of opinion and I'm glad he has changed. I don't think he holds communist leanings any more, but he did say he just didn't like the government or authority. He's not a beef steak or anything but I think it's a step in the right direction. On the subject of your friend, for him to change his opinion, he'd probably have to see some truly disgusting shit jews do like genociding of the Palestinians or maybe evidence coming out that 9/11 was a Zionist plot. I know these outcomes seem unlikely but I also thought my friend changing his opinion was unlikely as well. however, reading the paragraph above proved that, while it was unlikely, it wasn't impossible Image unrelated
>>5566 >why is there the meme of the higher classes hating the poorer ones? I wouldn't say it is totally a meme. It's not hard to look at the average lemming with contempt and conclude that he is an absolute philistine with no real goals in life beyond his station. But, just as there may be contempt among some members of the upper classes, it would be foolish to deny or downplay the seething envy that exists among many members of the lower classes. The spread of Marxism was widely due to the Jews exploiting a very real situation and injecting their poison into the minds of the workers, taking some good solutions and associating them with egalitarianism, internationalism, class conflict, atheism and feminism while arousing the envy and hatred of the masses, the lowest of instincts. >Why not help them? This is what National Socialism aims to do. We understand the mutual interdependence of societies and how they are composed of both lower and higher elements. While not seeking to create parasites as has happened in America, we care for those in need. The Volksgemeinschaft is founded on these principles, just see the Winterhilfswerk program, slogans such as "public need before private greed (Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz)" and the National Socialist People's Welfare. From all of this, a more harmonious and united society is created. Inequality and hierarchy are facts of life, but too wide of a gulf can create tensions, conflict and weakness.
>>934 I agree with everything you said, and I think thats what Hitler thought too. But werent the table talks proven to be fake? Or at least not proven to be 100% accurate?
>>5703 Personally I believe that Table Talks is real. I have a few reasons for believing this. Firstly, there is nothing within the work useful to the Jews that Hitler says. Though the dates of the monologues within the book are between 1941 and 1944, Hitler NEVER mentions anything about exterminating the Jews — something we are told that was in full swing during this time period. While this doesn’t make it true in itself, it is very telling. If TT is a hit-piece or Jewish lie agains Hitler, what exactly does it do that makes him look bad? I say nothing at all, indeed it makes him look even better and highly intelligent with how he can speak at such length on such a wide variety of topics ranging from history, philosophy, art, architecture and the ongoing war-effort. Secondly, nothing in TT conflicts with what we know of Hitler from Mein Kampf or his conduct as Führer. The biggest revelation is his criticisms of Christianity, but this is hardly surprising in many ways due to his worldview founded in the Laws of Nature, as well as the people he surrounded himself with (Bormann, Himmler, Rosenberg, etc) — in fact the anti-Christian Hitler would make far more sense given his actions than the opposite. My third reason is that David Irving endorses TT as being authentic, and claims to have seen the original pages. He seems to say that some English translations are potentially dodgy in some respects, but good enough. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Hitler/TableTalk010104.html All these taken together, I have little reason to personally doubt them. Most of the people who claim TT is fake are coping Christians from what I have seen. Though don’t take my word for it, if you’re already well-acquainted with Hitler’s worldview go and read Ostara Publication’s edition of it. They are trustworthy
>>5705 That makes sense, although a christian might say it makes him look bad because he is shitting on the one true religion, (((christianity))). But thanks for your input. This doesnt really have anything to do with TT, but if Hitler was a pagan, or a gnostic like some people say, why did he ban the Thule society?
>>5711 Hitler also cracked down on several groups similar to the Thule Society. Lanz von Liebenfels' Ordo Novi Templi was banned as well in the 1940s. This group was not strictly pagan, but instead was based off of Liebenfels' interpretations of the Bible and that the original Aryans were god-like beings who had telepathic and magnetic powers granted to them by their pineal glands. One thing that Hitler does not appear to have suppressed though is Jakob Wilhelm Hauer's German Faith Movement, which appears to have been much more pagan. Personally I don't think Hitler was a pagan at all in the sense that most of understand that term today. Hitler was pantheistic if anything, his religion was the laws of nature. Life was based around the struggle for existence and the survival of the fittest. Hitler wanted to organize Germany society in harmony with these natural laws and viewed nature as a source of wisdom and rules. This may not be pagan, but many pagans even back in the early 20th century did share many elements of this type of thinking (as many do today still). Guido von List's Wotanism apparently envisioned a cyclical universe, governed by laws of nature, an expression of immanent divinity. Man was part of a greater whole, man was to live in accordance with Nature. And this wasn't some cucked hippie thought either, because von List believed in a rigidly hierarchical state that would basically enslave non-Whites and guard racial purity. Hitler might have been "pagan adjacent" at max, seeing it as something healthier than Christianity, but not necessarily the solution to our problems.
>>5724 Hitler was an extremely pragmatic and insightful person, and he seemed to rely on his superb sense of instinct for most of his stances. Looking at his life, he didn't seem to worry about supernatural beliefs much, which I think is for the better. I think this is why he banned many nationalist occult societies along with Judeo-masonic style ones; he saw them as nonsensical distractions, even if the nationalist ones were well meaning. Additionally many of the masonic societies "rebranded" themselves as nationalist when Hitler came to power so they could subvert the real nationalist groups from the inside, as Jews usually do. So he probably decided to ban all secret societies because they're, well, secret, and the government or public had no way of knowing if those societies were up to no good. After all, why would a society need to keep its existence, members, and actions secret if they're honest people. I agree with this stance completely. You might say an anonymous image board is an example of a this secrecy, but the boards are always open to the public for discussion, so we can't hide behind a mask. >>5705 One thing I find strange about Hitler's stance on Christianity is that he (obviously) held a low opinion of the Old Testament (read Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin by Dietrich Eckart for more info on that), wasn't fond of the New Testament or the apostles, but seemed to legitimately hold Jesus himself in high esteem. Not really sure what to make of that.
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>>5740 That Masonic theory likely has something to it. If you read about Lanz von Liebenfels' ONT in particular, it was as Masonic as fuck with all sorts of ranks, rituals and initiations. Unfortunately a lot of the groups like this at this time seemed to have an infatuation with Masons or Rosicrucians. >One thing I find strange about Hitler's stance on Christianity is that he (obviously) held a low opinion of the Old Testament (read Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin by Dietrich Eckart for more info on that), wasn't fond of the New Testament or the apostles, but seemed to legitimately hold Jesus himself in high esteem. Not really sure what to make of that. Hitler believed that Jesus was some sort of anti-Jewish fighter that was at least partially Aryan if I remember correctly. I'm not sure what to think of this theory. I think it is at least plausible. For one, since I do not believe in the virgin birth for obvious reasons, Jesus must have had a father. Who was the father? I think the theory that a Roman soldier named Panthera was his actual father is interesting. Not only do the Jews speak of this in the Toledot Yeshu and the Talmud, but 2nd century pagan philosopher Celsus makes the exact same claim. One more interesting fact that could hint at a partially non-Jewish ancestry could be the following: >The region's Israelite name is from the Hebrew root גָּלִיל (galíl), an ultimately unique word for 'district', and usually 'cylinder'. The Hebrew form used in Isaiah 8:23 (or 9:1 in different Biblical versions) is in the construct state, g'lil ha-goyím (Hebrew: גְּלִיל הַגּוֹיִם‎), meaning 'Galilee of the nations', i.e. the part of Galilee inhabited by Gentiles at the time that the book was written. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee Galilee was inhabited by goyim at one point? Interesting. It's also worth noting that Jesus told his followers to procure weapons, and he personally did actions such as flip tables and whip greedy Jews. This of course raises the topic of how to reconcile these actions with the infamous Sermon on the Mount. I've heard a few theories for this. One is that Jesus was a Man Above Time (in Savitri Devi's sense). He was teaching the path towards individual enlightenment and was essentially a sage-like figure, thus his teachings weren't meant to be normative for the entire society. He taught the way of the Sannyasa, identified with the final life stage of Hinduism, that of the renouncer. Another is that he was teaching something too profound for the Jews to understand, usually identified with Hinduism in the theories that I read. Because of this, they nailed him to the cross. There's actually some interesting evidence to this.
>>830 John Chapter 8 verses 31 through 47. 31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” 33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?” 34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[a]” 39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[b] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” Jesus called Jews that didn't follow him the children of Satan. Martin Luther, the father of protestantism, hated the Jews. C.S.Lewis, a famous Christian theologian, hated the Jews. Anyone who thinks Christianity is pro-Jewish has clearly never read the Bible.
>>830 >>5740 >Any religion or teaching which denies the Natural Laws of the Universe is false. And in what way do you think the Bible teaches anything against science? According to the Bible, the natural world is God's creation. There's nothing which can be studied about the natural world which would somehow lead to the logical conclusion "therefore there is no God.", so Christians are perfectly free to follow the evidence wherever it leads. There are plenty of Christians who incorrect interpret the English translations of the Bible to somehow believe silly things like an 8,000 year old Earth, but this is as much a misreading of scripture as it is a denial of scientific evidence. That's to say it's as bad, if not worse, theology as it is bad science. >Nature evidences the divine plan, for the natural world is the work of the force or the intelligence men call God. So you're claiming that nature itself is God? That is an indefensible position if you apply any amount of logic to it. The best scientific evidence we have suggests that all of physical reality came into existence with the Big Bang; if nature itself had a beginning then how is it God and not whatever brought it into being? Who's the science denier now? >Not to mention that the concept of Hell is an obvious cope for betas and weaklings. It's only people who lack even the most basic understanding of Christianity that think it's about heaven and hell.
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>>5747 Look here, everyone, another dimwit Christian who thinks that people calling Christianity Jewish has to do with the Jewish religion. Christianity is a product of ethnic Jews. Judaism flows from the mental prism of the Jewish people, and it as a religion is merely a code of laws dressed up with some religious garb to protect their race and assure them world domination. This is what the Mosaic Covenant is all about. Jesus was an ethnic Jew. His disciples were ethnic Jews. Paul (or should I say Saul) was an ethnic Jew. Jesus was a kike and Jewish supremacist himself, evidenced in how he called a goy woman a "dog" (Matthew 15:21-28) and told his disciples not to preach in the cities of the goyim (Matthew 10:5-6). Christianity is thoroughly within the Abrahamic Jewish mould. It is foreign to the European mind, false and life-denying slave garbage pushed onto Whites to denature them and turn them into weak cuckolds who love their rabbi more than their race. >>5748 >So you're claiming that nature itself is God? This is the only sensible position, and it is no surprise that Hitler himself was closest to this position. >The best scientific evidence we have suggests that all of physical reality came into existence with the Big Bang Look at this Abrahamist reading his Abrahamic dogma into the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang DOES NOT explain the origin of physical reality, merely that the observable universe at one point 13.8 billion years ago allegedly existed in an extremely dense state. No scientist says that this was the absolute beginning of everything. Even Kikepedia says this: >One of the common misconceptions about the Big Bang model is that it fully explains the origin of the universe. However, the Big Bang model does not describe how energy, time, and space was caused, but rather it describes the emergence of the present universe from an ultra-dense and high-temperature initial state.[121] It is misleading to visualize the Big Bang by comparing its size to everyday objects. When the size of the universe at Big Bang is described, it refers to the size of the observable universe, and not the entire universe.[15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Misconceptions Now go and worship your Jew
>>5533 Nowhere in the Old Testament does it say "Go forth and conquer the world by lying, cheating, and stealing." If the Jews actually followed the teachings of Judaism then they wouldn't be doing what they're doing now. There's a reason why the majority of Jews identify as atheists, and even a sizable portion of supposedly-orthodox Jews don't even believe in God. Keep in mind that even Jesus said that Jews who don't follow him are the sons of Satan. There's absolutely no contradiction between Christianity and the realization that Jews are trying to take over the whole world.
>>5749 It's embarassingly obvious the Big Bang is no different from Big Tranny in that it's propped up by Globohomo's priests. >>5750 The Israelites repeatedly waged war on their neighbors and/or preached hate against them. With Yahweh never regulating their behavior against them. https://twitter.com/SeekerRaiden/status/1294654481607602176 This thread includes a user noting differences between the Illiad and the Old Testament.
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>>5757 Kek. Are you unironically suggesting the singularity origin of the universe isn't real?
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>>5564 >now
>>5758 >origin Quite the assumption. >>5750 >Nowhere in the Old Testament does it say "Go forth and conquer the world by lying, cheating, and stealing." Actually that is exactly what the Old Testament tells the Jews to do. It’s literally a strategy guide for achieving world domination. Jews are told that for exclusively following Yahweh and his laws the Jews will be granted rule over all mankind as a nation of priests (Deuteronomy 26:17-19 and 28:12, Exodus 19:6). Jews are repeatedly told that Yahweh will devour and dispossess nations (goyim) before him (Deuteronomy 7:16, Joshua 23:12-14) and that these nations are nothing to him (Isaiah 40:17). There are many genocides carried out the Jews as well in the OT that put their Holohoax mythos to shame in brutality (I Samuel 15:3, Joshua 6:21) Jews are told that they can lend to nations, but not borrow (Deuteronomy 15:6). They may not intermarry (Deuteronomy 7:3). A verse relating to Jews plundering gold and other treasures is in Zechariah 14:14. It also seems that the OT predicts the NWO in Isaiah, when it says that people from many nations (goyim) will come to Zion for instructions, the word of Yahweh all come forth from Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:3). Kings will come and pile up their wealth for the Jews (Isaiah 60:3-5). The kings will serve the Jews and foreigners shall rebuild their walls (Isaiah 60:10-11), All who resist will be destroyed (Isaiah 60:12) and humiliated, bowing before the Jews (Isaiah 60:14). The Jew will suck the milk of nations, that is of the goyim (Isaiah 60:16). Foreigners will tend their fields (Isaiah 61:5) and the Jews will be priests over all mankind, they “will feed on the wealth of nations”, again of the goyim, of US (Isaiah 61:6). Moses was evil mastermind the likes of which this world has never seen again since. Whether he really believed in this jealous tribal god is one question, but for some Semite in the desert to lay out an exact set of laws to preserve his race, limit its altruistic behavior towards others, prevent it from becoming indebted to others, prevent intermarriage with others, and to promise them complete world domination and riches for following this set of laws is genius. He understood how this world works, that might is right and race is everything. You have to quite literally be insane to be a Christian after reading all of this. Jews will exterminate you without a pang of conscience.
>>5758 >Kek. Are you unironically suggesting the singularity origin of the universe isn't real? >Kek. Are you unironically suggesting the trannies aren't women in men's bodies? >Kek. Are you unironically suggesting being a coomer is bad? >Kek. Are you unironically suggesting race is real?
>>5705 I should probably mention, the authenticity has been questioned by the revisionist Veronica Clark and Martin Bormann (the guy who contributed the most to it) has proven to be a Soviet agent.
>>5749 Modern ethnic jews are the result of khazar converts so I'm not sure what you mean by this
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>>8065 >this lie again Unironically cope harder. Prove that Khazaria ever had anything more than a Jewish convert for a monarch and a tiny converted Jewish elite. I'll wait. DNA evidence proves that the Jews have their origins in the Middle East and that modern Judaism (Talmudic or Scripturalist, doesn't matter) gradually came into existence after the destruction of the Second Temple and the the destruction of the Essenes, Sadducees and Zealots by the Romans. Your religion is descended from Jewish apocalyptic eschatology and Old Testament myths. Thought up by Semites, written by Semites for Semites. Top kek
>>8063 Never trust a woman on anything you can't verify yourself, and there is no problem with the text even if Martin Bormann was a soviet agent, the text is consistent with all else we know about Hitler from a variety of sources and the text itself doesn't serve the jews cause in any way except perhaps to drive White Christians away from their indigenous religions which is bad for us and not for them.
All the Abrahamic theologies are universalist in one way or another. Even the Torah permits miscegenation. >>8065 Show us the modern DNA studies from the past decade showing such.
>>8069 this would imply that israel is a legitimate state (it isnt) Modern-day Jews have zero Semitic DNA, with even the Israelis themselves are admitting that khazar theory is true Plus modern-day Jews literally can't even speak Hebrew properly and the Judaism they practice isn't even close to original Judaism. Their Hebrew and religious practices are completely different. >anything more than a Jewish convert for a monarch and a tiny converted Jewish elite. Wouldn't the people follow their state religion?
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>>8098 >this would imply that israel is a legitimate state (it isnt) There's no such thing as a "legitimate state", boomer. Might is right. >Modern-day Jews have zero Semitic DNA, Completely false. I should probably remind you that the Jewish diaspora has existed in more places than just Europe. Such as in the Arabian Peninsula, esp. Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Ethiopia, etc. >genome-wide analysis of seven Jewish groups (Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek, and Ashkenazi) and comparison with non-Jewish groups demonstrated distinctive Jewish population clusters, each with shared Middle Eastern ancestry, proximity to contemporary Middle Eastern populations, and variable degrees of European and North African admixture. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20560205/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23052947/ >Judaism they practice isn't even close to original Judaism. Judaism isn't a monolith. There were multiple kinds of Judaism in Judea and Galilee at the time of Jesus at it has continued to evolve since then. All religions do. Do you think the Christianity of the Church Fathers is identical to what passes for Christianity today? Of course not. >Their Hebrew...completely different. You should see what Old English from a thousand years ago looks like: >Fæder ūre þū þe eart on heofonum, Sīe þīn nama ġehālgod. Tōbecume þīn rīċe, Ġeweorðe þīn willa, on eorðan swā swā on heofonum. Ūrne dæġhwamlīcan hlāf sele ūs tōdæġ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English#The_Lord's_Prayer It's a completely different language. Languages change throughout history. That's why no one speaks Latin today, it evolved in French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, etc.
>revilo-oliver.com/rpo/church.htm >Revilo P. Oliver: How They Stole the Church >By Professor Revilo P. Oliver, August, 1991 >The Christian churches fall into two categories. The Protestant sects necessarily depend for their authority on a belief that the Bible was divinely inspired and is therefore literally accurate. >The Roman Catholic Church was less vulnerable because less dependent on the Bible, which, for many centuries, it forbade laymen to read. Or what? These unruly gentiles should be put to death too? >Then, only a few years ago, [the Catholic Church] was suddenly shattered by an internal revolution, as sudden and drastic as the Jews’ Bolshevik revolution in Russia, and far more suprising to observers of world affairs. >If one considered the new doctrine critically, one immediately saw what had been the cardinal and most drastic change. The attitude toward the Jews that the Christian god had presumably ordained for nineteen centuries was reversed. The change was neatly illustrated by the Cardinal who is believed most likely to become the next Pope. He boasts that he is a faithful and practicing Jew, and brazenly asserts that Christianity is merely a kind of auxiliary church by which deserving goyim are admitted to some of the privileges God irrevocably bestowed on his Chosen People. (4) >4. See Liberty Bell, May 1987, pp. 6-14. >It was obvious, therefore, that the Roman Catholic Church had been captured by the Jews and would be operated in their interests. Strangely enough, this fact was generally ignored by even the most vehement adversaries of the “modernization.” (5) >Most recently, in “The Stolen Church,” December 1990, I recommended the The New Montinian Church, an impressive English translation of an important work by the Reverend D. Joaquin S enz y Arriaga, and in “The Vacant See,” April-May 1991, I reported what were evidently the conclusions of a canon lawyer that the Papacy had been vacant since the death of Pius XII in 1958. >Mr. Roddy, after noting that the American Jewish Committee and B’nai B’rith put pressure on the Vatican Council to alter Catholic doctrine in their favor, reported that the real author of the Council’s surrender to Judaism was a French Jew named Jules Isaac, who cooperated with a “Fifth Column” (7) of Marrano traitors in the Council, including the slimy Cardinal Bea, but the success of the work of subversion was to be attributed to a “priest spy,” a Jesuit who served on the staff of Bea and shuttled back and forth between the Vatican and the American Jewish Committee in New York. Jesuits certainly are a different beast than what they started as.
>According to Mr. Roddy, the decree of the Vatican Council drafted by Jules Isaac “would have gone down early,” but for the “covert help” of the “priest-spy.” >That seems implausible. It is hard to see how the “priest-spy” could have had the pivotal role attributed to him. When Roncalli, who, under the laws of the Church, was not even a Catholic, slithered onto the See of Rome as John XXIII, his election must have been procured by accomplices in the College of Cardinals, (8) and he almost certainly had in petto a scheme for capturing and Judaizing the Church, probably including the Vatican Council that he convened in 1962 and guided through its intermittent sessions to its consummation of the revolutionary take-over in 1965. Mr. Patterson notes that after Roncalli was elected Pope in 1958, the larger newspapers in this country dropped their neutral or mildly hostile attitude toward the Catholic Church and suddenly blossomed with bouquets for “good Pope John.” The Jewish Lords of the American press must have received from their superiors advice that “Roncalli is our boy.” ///theirguy/// >In an address reported by the Rocky Mountain News, 8 October 1982 (reproduced photographically in Christian News) [Malachi Martin] stated explicitly that “The Christian church is decaying, has nothing to say, and is on the way out.” He added that the other great religions of the world, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism, “are headed in the same direction as Christianity and even faster.” He predicted the imposition of “a worldwide religion with one structure and institutions,” managed by “one great bureaucracy. And out of it will emerge the ultimate disaster.” >What is crucially significant in that speech is that he explicitly affirmed that the Jews’ religion (the basis of their racial unity) is not in the least subject to change or decay and will always endure triumphantly. “It is irradicable, (12) indestructible,” he affirmed, “there is no decay and nothing can destroy the soul of Judaism. (My italics.) >... but a sheet reproduced from typewriting and of uncertain provenance, enclosed with the copy of his book sent to me, identifies Wojtyia (John Paul II) as a Jew, son of a Kikess named Wanda Katz. Moreover, when an entire structure is weak, it requires as little as a few men, perhaps a single one, to topple it all. This is what you deserve by not basing your faith on White racial grounds but instead on a bunch of desert dwellers and carpet dealers. Jews are trying to enucleate Asatru of its Nordic bent, longing to denazify it. In many ways, they seem to succeed, turning it into a multicultural bag of logical fallacies and emotional appeals. In other words, to prevent Whites from uniting at the highest level, that of spirituality based in facts and in the illuminated flesh (the White one, if you didn't follow). Since they can do that with a religious movement that is heavily charged with ethnical overtones, it is absolutely not any surprise that turning the Catholic Church got turned into another blatant Jewish tool as the centuries old form, although useful to some extent to the Jews, proved to be too cumbersome to their world wide Zionist agenda. This is also why Jews are so vicious in their assymetrical fight against any pro-White organization, secular or religious. Final note: >7. I do not like to see ‘Fifth Column’ used in this sense, a perversion of its original meaning. When the Spanish army was delivering Spain from Judaeo-Communist terror in 1936, General Franco, on whom the command had devolved, remarked that four columns of his troops were converging on Madrid, in which there was a ‘fifth column’ composed of the decent Spaniards in that territory, who, while impotent against the power of the Communist government, necessarily sympathized with the army that was fighting to free them and would assist its efforts whenever they feasibly could. A ‘fifth column,’ therefore, is not composed of traitors, but of patriots held in subjection by an alien power.
>>5765 >Kek. Are you unironically suggesting the trannies aren't women in men's bodies? Whether this is true or not, in the end they still are freaks. Feel pity for them if you want but it ends there. >Kek. Are you unironically suggesting being a coomer is bad? If fapping regularly is good, we'd know it by now. Enough studies and even practical religious practices show it is not. >Kek. Are you unironically suggesting race is real? It is.
>>8203 All of those are "accepted" in the "scientific community." Like muh universe origin.
>>5747 >Jesus called Jews that didn't follow him the children of Satan. Martin Luther, the father of protestantism, hated the Jews. C.S.Lewis, a famous Christian theologian, hated the Jews. Anyone who thinks Christianity is pro-Jewish has clearly never read the Bible. Source on C.S Lewis hating jews? I tried searching and could not find anything except a reddit post complaining that it is "terrible and strange" that he did not write about muh holocaust https://www.reddit.com/r/CSLewis/comments/7gsl2y/did_cs_lewis_write_about_the_holocaust/ lol Christianity being pro-jew is a jewish lie. Everyone should read on the jews and thier lies by Martin Luther, I have attached the pdf.
>>8397 >Christianity being pro-jew is a jewish lie. And here we see another useful idiot for the Jews thinking that just because some Christians over time have spoke out against Judaism AS A RELIGION that means that Christians are totally based and opposed to the ultimate Jewish scheme towards JWO. One who lays the poison for does not sample it himself if he is smart. An ethnic Jew who LARPs a Christian is and will always be a kike Christianity denatures the goyim, blunts their racial instincts and gives them a morality of slaves. All preparation for even greater poison later such as Communism
>>8397 It is anti-Jew insofar as it criticizes some of them and wants Jews to convert. It still recognizes the authority of the fathers of the law. It still is a religion that makes the Jews necessary as an essential part of the story.
Can't people just accept it's fake and let it go?
>>9433 Since it has been forced onto and affected European cultures for nearly two millennia people start to think that it's an integral part of Europe. It's an emotional and sentimental attachment that must be overcome, especially because it is killing us. Also even though it's declining there's still a bit of social pressure from some families.
Present, though as said by others church needs reform. Some of the examples of Christians of course being Prima De Vera, Corneliu, and degrelle
>>9689 can you describe in detail your vision for reform?
>>9738 Return to catholic traditional teaching regarding who killed Christ (the jews), a change back to the old canonization process (de canonizing all the cucks jpii did in one fell swoop). Return to social teaching that is nationalist not globalist. Lastly for all of this a return to sacredness in liturgy.
>>9745 you should look into Sedevacantism, a Catholic movement which rejects Vatican II (the source of many complaints). there are various groups under this heading, notably SSPX and SSPV.
>>9768 Already in SSPX for that reason, though i believe full sedevecante is to far due to it eventually leading to 100 years without a pope. Though in honesty I am slowly but surely agreeing with sedes more and more, as are other sspxers. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/sspx-and-fascism >sspx contains fascism >one of the bishops in sspx was denying holocaust (he has split from group on problems with current head bishop)
>>9689 Degrelle is supposed to have regretted his dedication to your particular brand of Judaism, in his later years as upon his death, his chosen method of burial is very unchristian. By reform you best mean destroy entirely, the church is entirely pointless and will only lead to a worse dark age than it did the last time it had absolute power.
>>9745 I was hoping you would address things like christian pacifism, race denial, etc. and address by them by scripture rather than "there once was a based pope,cardinal,preist"
>>9885 I'm disappointed but not surprised.
>>9886 what if the abrahamist model was changed by switching out yaweh/allah with the White race? what would it be missing, what would its flaws be then?
>>9904 Do you mean like Judaism for White people (in terms of the "chosen people" idea rather than any specific practices)? You know, if such a thing existed and worked to preserve our people, I couldn't really complain, but I think when it comes to what Whites could have for a religion, or can have, I think there is much more interesting options out there. Whites must look to Nature and its eternal Laws. Once we understand that we are not spouting relativistic political nonsense, but higher truths in accordance with the Natural Order, our viewpoint will change. It is not the most comforting view for the good goyim who got to church on Sundays though - Sublime Nature is serenely indifferent to the eternal struggle for existence that rages daily within it, and we bear the weight to fight and survive, and to cooperate and strengthen ourselves. The signs and design of the world around us show us how to conduct ourselves, no revelation needed.
I'm starting to see many don't actually dislike the Word, just the corrupt church institution and all the constant rewritings of the bible to appease to unconditional passiveness against societal rulings.
>>9768 >>9769 I'd like to join the SSPX but the allegations are keeping me away. I am looking to come back to the faith but I have become jaded with the pedophile Venn diagram.
>>9904 "If the Cake sucks the Icing won't save it."
>>9904 The flaw is that Europeans would completely shit on their ancient ancestors who were in reality were non abrahamists. Their spiritualities would be a desire to replace the current "fake jews" and become the so-called "old jews" , which is still retarded.
>>9929 That's one of my biggest problems with CI, not to mention that the historical grounding is absolute BS.
>>9938 >That's one of my biggest problems with CI, not to mention that the historical grounding is absolute BS. I speculate the excuse for this is because Christians believe that Europeans were the first creators of Judaism, because of so-called blue-eyed immigrants in Israel thousands of years ago and because of a lot of Christian Whites or mutts, who are White supremacists believe that only Whites are capable of making Judaism non-corrupt. https://archive.is/FYaJ9 https://archive.is/8LZx3 That or an even worse reason which is that true European spirituality came from Israel and the pagans were ignorant, because of the moronic belief that they had no civilization or writing of their beliefs.
No Christian Shill has ever addressed how post-Zoroastrian Abrahamism is more universalist than anything before it.
How did you wake up to the Christcuck menace, /fascist/? For me, even though I did go to church for a few years when I was around Kindergarten age, my family was not very religious. The more I heard Christcucks speak, either on television or in my personal life, the more I thought that they all seemed very fake, off-putting and weird with all of their talk about "sinning", "love" and "forgiveness". It seemed really weak and self-abasing to me. I held to this opinion for a while, but had no real idea of what was in the Bible. Eventually I began to become redpilled, and heard about stuff like Sermon on the Mount, so I began to read that and other parts of the Bible and realized how harmful this is for our people. The link to the jews only solidified this view in me, and my attitude towards Christcucks grew only even more negative. Today I think they are one of the greatest obstacles that we face as a people.
>>10253 how can this be blamed on Christianity when the bible clearly says that gays should be put to death?
>>10336 >the bible clearly says that gays should be put to death? “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” “But I tell you, do not resist an evil person” “Judge not, that ye be not judge” Rabbi Yeshua would not approve.
>>10253 Every Christian I have met is duplicitous, simple as. Doesn't help that every time I'm dragged into some building of theirs they feature NIGGER MISSIONS all over the walls and billboards. It's completely indefensible even without its long, criminal history against Aryans.
>>10253 It's a combination of things, I came to it through my own research and The West's Darkest Hour blog and how even CI faggots don't ever do a fucking thing.
>>10360 I've read that they did a few minor things back in the day when they were at the peak of their popularity, but nothing major enough that I can even recall off the top of my head. I'm not even sure how widespread CI thinking is nowadays. I was reading some book a while back by some kike academics written around 2000 that said that CI was becoming less of a force and was losing ground to pagans and other anti-Christians, and that definitely seems to be true today from what I've witnessed.
>>10362 I agree that it seems to be losing ground the evidence indicates that to me too, one thing that tipped me off not to trust any CI nigger was finding out William Finck of Christogenea snitched on David Lane and provided evidence to the feds so that they could put him in jail.
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>>10364 I've noticed that Christogenea is constantly shilled by some German-flag poster on Cuckchan. It doesn't seem very organic. The link with this Finck character definitely sets off alarm bells.
>>10367 http://www.Whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?1440-William-Raymond-Finck-Murderous-jew-pig-amp-wannabe-CI-infiltrator https://susan1219.wordpress.com/2018/10/31/church-of-israel-and-dan-gayman/ Though the source is CI niggers themselves that thread is apparently decent info, as is the second link which I mistakenly thought was outing William Finck but does cast doubt on CI as a whole as a den of informants while Finck is directly a jew.
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How can christcucks beleeb in jesus as the messiah after watching this debate? this former jewish former christian now jewish jew makes some good points. the logical conclusion for christcucks is to just become jews. dharmanation guy is anti abrahamism, but he asserts jesus was a vedic sage and that its "Pauline Christianity" that is the problem and that "paleo-christianity" is kind of ok. the only option for christcucks is to go vedic or go judaic. which way christ man? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IanpaBa2R3c
>>10385 I laughed pretty hard when the one retard Christian said that the Jew might as well say that Gorbachev would be a better a better messiah and the Jew agreed with him and the Christians got offended top kek. I've watched other videos by religious Jews attacking Jesus as the Messiah and I've always thought that they were closer to the truth (if one accepts their texts as accurate, that is). The beginning of this video is interesting. The rabbi talks about another self-proclaimed Messiah of the Jews, one whom anons here might be familiar with - Sabbatai Zevi. Basically his argument was that unexpected developments with these figures were subjected to crazy mental gymnastics and rationalizations. Jesus was supposed to return extremely soon, even saying that "some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom". When he didn't come, the Christcucks started coping hard. The same happened with Sabbatai Zevi when he suddenly converted to Islam. They claimed that converting to Islam was some sort of 4D chess and part of the Messianic scheme. In the case of Christianity though, it was of course weaponized by Paul, who was trained under the tutelage of the greatest rabbis of his day to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB7EZ5fgr4I But you're right. Christians need to either become kikes or reject everything about Christianity that explicitly stands on the foundations of Semitic beliefs. The Vedic way is viable.
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>>10387 >I laughed pretty hard when the one retard Christian said that the Jew might as well say that Gorbachev would be a better a better messiah and the Jew agreed with him and the Christians got offended top kek. my favorite part was immediately after that when that same kid just ended with "i feel jesus christ is the real messiah". he gives a tough look towards the jew and the christ goyims applaud him. this is a fucking debate and this jew is dropping some real points, and all this kid responds to is that his feelings are what matters. the big takeaway from me watching this 25 min clip is the vibe and atmosphere it creates that this whole semitic religion thing is just so stupid and small compared to the comprehensive analysis of reality by dharmic religion/philosophy. i urge all christcucks in this thread to look into dharmic religions. if you are a fan of jesus and his teachings, you will be a fan of dharmic religions and their teachings, its reasonable to believe that thats where jesus got these ideas from, supposedly theres even hard evidence for him living in a buddhist monastery. all the hard to believe semitic lore and prophecy and jew worship you can leave behind, while picking up a more fleshed out and comprehensive system that is at its essence the same as jesus's teachings minus the equality pozz. its still not a pozz-proof system of belief, but its better than abrahamism and celebrates a warrior tradition as well.
>>10390 >i feel jesus christ is the real messiah Honestly this sums up so much of the Christcuck attitude towards their religion. It often seems to be very much based on feels, emotions and experiences rather than any sort of rational foundation or hard proof for what they believe (and I don't mean this in the sense of "WHERE'S GOD, I CAN'T SEE HIM!!). I've dealt with people who act like this in real life. Some guy I know was blabbing to me about how he was feeling down about life and crying alone in his room when all the sudden he either felt some "loving" presence or saw a vision where Jeebus reassured him, and then the very next day everything started to change for the good!
>>10387 >muh Vedic DId you retards really invade this thread to shill some hindu shit?
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>>10403 Look, Vedic might not even have been the best term to use, but either Christians drop the anti-White Jewish parts of their religion, or they are less than useless and deserve to be stamped out.
>>10403 First and Foremost the Vedic tradition is an Aryan tradition and was brought to India by Aryan invaders, the genetic evidence has confirmed it. >>10404 So, they have to drop the entire thing? the only things about it that aren't anti-White was the shit they stole from Pagans and even then they corrupted it beyond repair.
>>10405 >So, they have to drop the entire thing? It almost looks like that, admittedly. The best hand we can deal them is to say that Jesus was potentially some sort of Jewish sage who gained his knowledge either through his own process of self-discovery, or through learning from those with knowledge of Dharmic traditions of one kind or another. There's no evidence that Jesus is a messiah or part of a trinity other than Jewish scriptures and there is hardly any basis for why this one man should be venerated over the Buddha, Mahavira or Apollonius of Tyana or any other sage-like figure.
>>10399 >when all the sudden he either felt some "loving" presence or saw a vision where Jeebus reassured him, and then the very next day everything started to change for the good! these kind of purely psychological events are very powerful in pushing people to continue their drive for existence. christianity and the religion of mankind in warhammer40k remind me of eachother. theyre both cobbled together from lies and halftruths but the end result is something that can immediately be understood and taken to heart on a very deep level in the heart of the stupidest person. this belief alone in jesus guiding them, or having faith in the holy god emperor, event though its a lie, it pushes the ordinary man to continue fighting and against every odd prevail. maybe this is the true functional value that enables christianity/islam to survive in the consciousness of the common people for so long, only to be forgotten and usurped by the gods of pleasure and vanity once the struggle is over and peacetime is acheived.
>>10405 >First and Foremost the Vedic tradition is an Aryan tradition The Vedic has been dravadized and I find it funny how most of you have more interest in the Vedic than the Astaru or any of the native European religions, wonders me if most of you are mutts. >the genetic evidence has confirmed it. What genetic evidence? Don't tell you believe those kikes in Harvard, because you don't need proof that Aryans were there considering the indo-European writing and traditions are within India already. Don't need muh DNA to prove this.
>>10410 Honestly the genetic evidence is irrelevant. Even without it is undeniable that everything great that ever came out of India was a product of White minds. Linguistically, culturally, religiously - their origin is clear.
>>10410 Did I say I was more interested in that than the other branches? No, I didn't, and the Vedic traditions were preserved in the original form pretty much unaltered to this day because it is still an oral tradition and no I don't trust kikes from Harvard but genetic evidence is beyond doubt, christcucks and others still deny that Aryans invaded India, it just confirms what is already known beyond doubt.
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>>10410 >I find it funny how most of you have more interest in the Vedic than the Astaru or any of the native European religions i can never find anyone or any source that can really describe asatru and all its principles, just vague notions with no meaning behind them. the vedic religion is complete, comprehensive, has a definite answer and explanation for almost every facet and part of life and they are all interlinked as part of one system. asatru is just random people larping and not even understanding what they are doing and are trying to even avoid having to understand or justify it.
>>10410 >I find it funny how most of you have more interest in the Vedic than the Astaru or any of the native European religions I have plenty of interest in native European religions. I've tried to make more of a topic in the active thread on paganism, particularly in regards to Greco-Roman religion, and I think we've definitely gotten more discussion going about it than there was. We even got a reading-list assembled. The reason people are interested in Vedic and Indian stuff is summed up well here >>10415, not to mention that it is a part of the Aryan world that needs to have attention drawn too it because it is not too well known unfortunately that much of the East was once under the rule of Whites. Honestly, I don't even follow any Indian religions. I'm most closely aligned with Cosmotheism. >>10415 You've basically summed up my own thoughts
>>10414 > the Vedic traditions were preserved in the original form pretty much unaltered to this day That's a lie they have indeed been altered otherwise Dravadians today wouldn't think they're Aryans. >>10415 I like how you didn't deny you aren't a mutt. > asatru is just random people larping and not even understanding what they are doing and are trying to even avoid having to understand or justify it. You could same the same about Vedic cucks as well. Nothing more but larpers who think singing a mantra is going to give them magical powers. Also you talk like a fucking Christcuck how ironic for you dumbasses to shit on Christian but refer to Astaru as larping. Please tell me how the Dravadian gods are muh Aryan.
>>10417 >I like how you didn't deny you aren't a mutt. If he would have denied being a mutt you would have said that he was a mutt for seeing a reason to even deny it, let's be real.
>>10415 >Muh larping Christcuck cuckchanner detected >>10417 Welcome to /fascist/ anon, nothing but hindpoos and mutts here. >>10418 He's a hindpoo and acts like one too, so either way anon would be correct.
>>10418 When one acts like a fucking mutt then one is likely a mutt.
>>10420 >talking about Hinduism >mutt behavior Doesn't follow
>>10421 >reduce native European heritage to mere larping >practices a religion that anyone can get into >tries to practice something he knows little about >practices a religion over the course of years that have been dravdianized Maybe Neinchan were right this place is gay
>>10417 >That's a lie they have indeed been altered otherwise Dravadians today wouldn't think they're Aryans. Dude, there are shitskins who larp as "Nazi"'s with maybe two that really are NS and niggers larping as Asatruar out there right now, and we can't stop them it's ironic that you have the gall to mock the Vedic tradition for the same shit that christianity encourages and is fucking rife with. The dravidians that think they are Aryan are largely of the Aryan Caste in India and thus descended from the Aryans themselves while unable or unwilling to realize they have lost the claim to that title.
>>10422 Your entire post is a strawman. I explicitly said talking about Hinduism, not practicing Hinduism - there is a big difference. There are interesting aspects of Hinduism, and as a pagan religion it is worth talking about, but I don't practice this shit or necessarily think that other people should either. It's obviously Dravidianized today. India is a racial mud puddle today and has been for over two thousand plus years now. I am a Social Darwinist and National Socialist. This is basically irreconcilable with anything taught by Hindus. Also, nice attempt at D&C with Neinchan, haven't seen that tactic before.
>>10417 i like how you didnt deny that asatruars are larpers. i am of 100% White ancestry coming from a single area in northern europe. your accusation of vedic people being larpers isnt completely true. the dravidianized gods and the magical mantras are far from the core of the actual practical philosophy. read the bhagavad gita for a great primer on all the major schools of vedic thought. if you think youre big brained enough read the upanishads. if youre a plebian moron scream mantras at poorly made statues and cartoonish drawings of dravidian gods. >That's a lie they have indeed been altered probably true, but you should be able to drink the milk from the water so to speak if you're actually White. >otherwise Dravadians today wouldn't think they're Aryans. this doesnt have anything to do with whether or not the scriptures were altered. >>10419 >Christcuck cuckchanner detected not a christcuck, not a cuckchanner, not an argument why are you seething so hard that we're leaving our containment thread? >>10422 >reduce native european heritage to mere larping i have yet to be proven otherwise, and i welcome you to do so. >practices a religion that anyone can get into the barriers for vedic religion are many, you dont know anything about it >tries to practice something he knows little about actually i know a lot about, you are the one who knows next to nothing about it. >practices a religion over the course of years that have been dravdianized vedic religion is the original White aryan religion. hindusim is the dravidianization. hindu =/= vedic. >Maybe Neinchan were right this place is gay then go there you disruption shill faggot. i'll have to remember that drawing connections between jesus and vedic religion makes you fags show up.
>>10423 >Dude, there are shitskins who larp as "Nazi"'s with maybe two that really are NS and niggers larping as Asatruar out there right now, and we can't stop them They can be easily weeded out when you tell them they have to actually be White otherwise they have to fuck off. >it's ironic that you have the gall to mock the Vedic >No not my precious Vedic! >How am I going to larp as Vishnu! >Muh Aryans! Muh Aryans! >The dravidians that think they are Aryan are largely of the Aryan Caste in India and thus descended from the Aryans themselves while unable or unwilling to realize they have lost the claim to that title. You're a fucking idiot, I'm talking about the lower caste shitskins as well. and higher caste fags aren't Aryan further proof no one understand what Aryan means by blood. The Brahamans act like niggers and Jews today.
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>>10426 >I'm talking about the lower caste shitskins as well. and higher caste fags aren't Aryan further proof no one understand what Aryan means by blood. The Brahamans act like niggers and Jews today. They're all shitskins, you're just too stupid to understand that no one here gives a fuck about modern India or poos, only the Aryan traditions of the past.
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>>10425 >i like how you didnt deny that asatruars are larpers. Astarus don't larp they go back to their ancient tongue and heritage, especially the ones in Sweden who are said to understand their ancestors heritage perfectly fine. >i am of 100% White ancestry coming from a single area in northern europe. Thank you for confirming that you are mutt, reminds me of this meme >>10428 >They're all shitskins, you're just too stupid to understand that no one here gives a fuck about modern India or poos, only the Aryan traditions of the past. You didn't give a fuck about India then shut the fuck about India retard.
>They can be easily weeded out when you tell them they have to actually be White otherwise they have to fuck off. But we can't, short of killing them, STOP THEM FROM CLAIMING TO BE ASATRUAR even if we refuse to let them into our temples. >You're a fucking idiot, I'm talking about the lower caste shitskins as well. Sincxe when has what shitskins done evger mattered? >and higher caste fags aren't Aryan Never claimed they were, just that they had Aryan blood. >further proof no one understand what Aryan means by blood. The Brahamans act like niggers and Jews today. I don't disagree but that has nothing to do with how well they have preserved the Traditions.
>>10425 You are a christfag, you talk just like one cry more about muh argument, bitch. >why are you seething so hard that we're leaving our containment thread? Me? Seeting, Christfag? You come on this fucking thread ever single time to seethe about a fucking dead Jew. You're not going convenice christfags to become dharamaists. Fuck off with this shit.
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Ironic how fast this came true.
>>10432 How fast you proved the meme to true.
>>10429 >You didn't give a fuck about India then shut the fuck about India retard. Ancient India, Pakistan and the surrounding areas were ruled by Aryans who brought their language, culture and race to the region. They were a ruling minority but had great influence and are part of our Aryan past, and are thus worth researching and talking about.
>>10431 It's Dharmist, you illiterate shit and it is essentially just making them into a National Socialist which requires removal of the mental jew to truly understand.
>>10435 >It's Dharmist, you illiterate shit You shouldn't be calling me illiterate retard you were misspelling like a nigger right here >>10430 > it is essentially just making them into a National Socialist which requires removal of the mental jew to truly understand. In other words the impossible and something that you retards aren't capable of doing. Trying to convert christfags is impossible, all they need to know is that their ancestors were pagans and that 1488 is the primary goal of the White race.
>>10436 >In other words the impossible and something that you retards aren't capable of doing. Trying to convert christfags is impossible, all they need to know is that their ancestors were pagans and that 1488 is the primary goal of the White race. I agree with this, but apparently a lot of so-called White nationalists are willing to do this. Most Whites are Christians today and trying to convience them to become pagans or vedic is pointless, because most Whites who are racially aware are also religious. At best Christians just need to understand what it means to be White and how we can bring a White future. The old Jew and New Jew shit needs to be dropped. All Jews should be eliminated.
>>10436 >You shouldn't be calling me illiterate retard you were misspelling like a nigger right here >>10430(me) Oh my bad, I didn't proofread and made a couple of typos with extra letters of keys very close to the previous ones in the word and that somehow invalidates your repeated misspellings of words no White man would misspell. >In other words the impossible and something that you retards aren't capable of doing. Trying to convert christfags is impossible, all they need to know is that their ancestors were pagans and that 1488 is the primary goal of the White race. No, I personally believe they will need to purged rather than saved but some few may be able to be recovered prior to the beginning of the purges. >>10437 Yes lets be nice to the race-traitors, it will serve our cause so very well.
>>10437 > The old Jew and New Jew shit needs to be dropped. All Jews should be eliminated.
>>10431 >you are a christfag nigger i dont even own a bible >you talk just like one not an argument >cry more about muh argument, bitch not an argument the only kind of person who shits up a conversation with this kind of rhetoric is a shill
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>>10423 The Dravidians I know of think that they're just some group that's not exactly Aryan. No one in my ingroup strictly considers themselves pure Aryan. But they do say how they have some ancient Aryan blood and it just pisses me off.
>>10444 I’ll add it if you could make it a bit smaller.
Lmao the mutts thinking that they'll be saved by the WNs. They'll be killed beside their bluepilled parents. Same for any based nonWhites. The earth belongs to Whites. You think Whites are just settling for ethnostates?
>>10451 >The earth belongs to Whites. You think Whites are just settling for ethnostates? if only our recent ancestors held these same sentiments. its because of christianity and abrahamism in general that we have been dropped off into this nightmare.
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>>10491 >if only our recent ancestors held these same sentiments. They were too driven by a greed for profits and to convert souls, unfortunately. The North American experience should have been the norm in dealing with non-White savages, just keep pushing them further and further and further back as their numbers dwindle into irrelevance and if we're lucky they would have gone extinct. As long as people are cucked by Abrahamic and liberal morality a true resurgence and assertion of White interests is essentially impossible.
>>10495 >The North American experience should have been the norm in dealing with non-White savages >retard anglos genocide bisons instead of indians who were already genociding each other
>>10503 Historically this is another great mistake and another example of the evils of greed. Luckily, we can learn from our mistakes and realize that it is better for all to maintain biological diversity among wildlife and to maintain a healthy environment.
>>10491 It’s only because of them that we stopped sacrificing babies, but you take the bad with the good
>>10511 The babies sacrificed were the unfit to live, the weak and malformed, sacrifice was a way for them to have merit in death, rather than just being useless genetic abominations walking around sucking the life and resources out of everything they encounter.
>>10511 >sacrificing babies Last time I checked Moloch and Baal were Semitic gods. Regardless, it’s still a lesser evil than Abrahamism in the long term, unironically.
>>5764 >a strategy guide for achieving world domination. >>10495 >just keep pushing them further and further and further back as their numbers dwindle So when it's jews it's world domination but when it's Whites it's just meant to happen bc Nature?
>>10517 >Throwing kids to a burning golden calf to be protected >Slowly torturing a lamb and bathing in its entrails to cleanse your wrongdoings >The lesser evil to obeying 10 commandments Did i read that correctly? my jewdar is on full alert especially with that ID
>>10494 Lmao, i can add more stuff in and make it smaller later today
>>10526 Yes. In the long term scope of things, Abrahamism is far more destructive and evil than human sacrifice of any kind. Abrahamism destroys civilizations. Ironically you call me a Jew, but you go on to pilpul about how “it’s j-just following the ten commandments bro...” (blatant lie). Also >crying about my ID You’re literally kvetching over the gematria of Hebrew letters that signifies Nero – are you sure you’re not a kike?
>>10538 >(blatant lie) Depends if we want to go papist, moralist or calvinist but i think that's another topic for another board. You'll be fine not being a scumbag and doing acts of good to your direct people. >Abrahamism destroys civilizations I didn't see Europe crumbling until Christianity was perverted up to exaggerated points. The lack of God, or to be fair and technical, the lack of a societal moral doctrine is far more destructive. >Using jew words like pilpul while calling me out Frog meme poster scum
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>>10549 >I didn't see Europe crumbling until Christianity was perverted up to exaggerated points. Europe has been crumbling for two thousand years due to Judaism in all its varieties (due to Christians and Pharisees alike). The soil was plowed, the seeds were sown.
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>>10549 You're literally worshipping a Jew.
>>10561 B-but Jeebus disagreed with some Jewish sects that weren't his, he's based!
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>>10563 Nice updated version. Added
>>10563 Makes it look like the banner is making fun of the userbase.
>>10577 It is, and that's why it's funny
>>10580 But that implies that the majority of users are just name-calling each other and propose far out solutions that are crazy (ethnoglobe). Wait, you might me right. But then again this is better than Marxist cucks.
>>10522 No it's still world domination, but it is still meant to happen, Nature wills that it's greatest children return to power or perish. >>10589 Ethnoglobe isn't crazy, it is both logical and inevitable, we may not live to see it but we will ensure it is done by our descendants.
https://news.artnet.com/exhibitions/uks-medieval-graffiti-full-of-subversive-pagan-symbols-67358 >While it is difficult to accurately interpret the mysterious images, which include human figures, pentagrams, crosses, ships, and compasses, Porter is quick to assign deeper pagan meanings to some of the drawings. A man wearing a crown, for instance, could be the straw king, an ancient fertility symbol in which a straw man was made from the remnants of the previous year’s crops and then burned, after which its the ashes were strewn over the freshly planted fields. >Porter suspects such graffiti is evidence of the secret, subversive adherence by the populace to old pagan traditions despite the church’s efforts.
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>>10589 >Far out solutions that are crazy (ethnoglobe). Ethnoglobe is among one of the most sensible and logical things discussed on /fascist/ >>10593 >Porter suspects such graffiti is evidence of the secret, subversive adherence by the populace to old pagan traditions despite the church’s efforts. Wouldn't surprise me. I took a course on Christian history at my jewniversity a while back and you wouldn't believe how a lot of these conversions went done, especially outside of the immediate Mediterranean area. Two things interrelated things that popped up over and over again were that (1) a pagan king who turned to Christianity had a Christian wife who convinced him to convert and start persecuting pagans, and related to this (2) the conversions were largely done from the top-down and people only became authentically Christian after several generations and only incompletely in some more rural areas.
>>10597 >the conversions were largely done from the top-down and people only became authentically Christian after several generations and only incompletely in some more rural areas Same thing with Islam, really. Many non-Arab people still practice pre-Islamic traditions, like Berber women and their facial tattoos or Persians celebrating Zoroastrian holidays and using the Faravahar as a symbol for their nation. Abrahamic religions have always been adopted for purely opportunistic reasons by elites, the common people who lived closer to nature knew there was something off about these religions. If they were actually true or gave people's lives a positive meaning, its leaders wouldn't have had to persecute those who strayed from it for centuries.
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>>10657 >If they were actually true or gave people's lives a positive meaning, its leaders wouldn't have had to persecute those who strayed from it for centuries. A religion that started out soulless, gives off soulless offspring, no surprises here. Following Abrahamic religions literally turns one into a neurotic, power-hungry schizophrenic Jew over time. The Old Testament has to be one of the most uninspiring works ever produced on this planet - the adventures of a desert god and his yids who go around killing, being enslaved, and punished by said god endlessly with no deeper goals or meanings. Originally they didn't even have an afterlife. You just follow the Jew gods dictates and then you eventually die. Part of this may be why they are so powerful though. Judaism aims to keep the Jews separate and gives them instruments to conquer and destroy their enemies. This is why it is of no surprise that many Jews today act like politics is their religion. I was the one who in the Weimerica thread yesterday posted the beginning of a list of synagogues that came out in favor of BLM, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that every single one had some sort of tagline about how they were "egalitarian", or how they stood for the weak and oppressed. This is redpilling in light of stats that indicate that over half of American Jews don't even believe in God. For soulless kikes that might be enough, but for Aryans like us it has very little appeal.
>>10659 Then what about the in-betweeners? The nonjew nonWhites?
>>10661 >nonjew nonWhites Are you talking about their religions or just them in general? If you're talking about them in general, they need to be removed from White countries at the very least. Religiously, they are more interesting. I like Shinto and Buddhism in particular.
>>10664 Notice how all of these have nothing to do with race, but only with the security of an Abrahamic institution
>>10672 Not only that, but its an extension of that gay "fashwave" aesthetic that the aut-kike created to mirror the era of the degenerate 1980's.
>>9745 >Exalted Copium Please bitch. >Return to social teaching that is nationalist not globalist. This is independent of the Church. In fact, said Church would, if it were true to its texts, preach such a love for miscegenation that we would find ourselves having to eradicate it for good. Wait. >>9768 >sedevacan'tism Did the Church stand against the flooding of niggers in South American colonies created by Whites? Still sells the self-deprecating theory of Sin that is such a blatant trick to sell snake oil Jesus the Redeemer (like a coupon). Most of your theological literature is based on the mentality of Saul of Tarsus. http://www.racerealist.com/tarsus.htm# (With much irony, she failed too to apply her own belief as she married a brown skinned Brahmin. Her point stands nevertheless.) >>9904 Waste of time. Better work from the ground up with a new creed. Aquarius is knocking on the door and reminding us how nearly the entire age of Pisces was sabotaged for naught. Let's not repeat the same mistake. >>9923 Very apt, even more since the icing tends to be White. >>9938 >>9943 >CI https://1488knights.blogspot.com/2012/05/blog-post.html
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>>10675 I wonder how fashwave even really caught on, honestly. It is a very ugly aesthetic. It's ironic to see images telling one to "preserve tradition" or "turn back the clock" that are based on an aesthetic associated with a type of degenerate electronic music and a shallow type of consumerism.
>>10337 Then comes the realization that the Old and New Testaments, and their respective own 'God', are really two different beasts. >>10385 >dharmanation guy is anti abrahamism, but he asserts jesus was a vedic sage The problem with this is that one realizes how the supposed teachings of Jesus would have, then, not been meant to be shared, only concerned his small group of followers, and was not detached from the Jewish life at all. Sort of proto-MGTOW. >>10387 There is a solid argument to be made that nothing happened through Jesus, that his mission has been a complete failure, just like he too was. >Vedic way The earliest and perhaps purest way, most likely, but don't forget that later books grew as the fruit of a culture of people living alongside Pajeets and progressively opened to miscegenation. Aside from deep secret esoteric teachings which might very well not be in need of any proper mainstream religion, I'm not even sure very based people actually need big religious books as a starting point. It's also hard to feel like between Jesus and Barabbas, the former was the better deal. Not that I'm looking at massaging Jews here but their choice makes much sense: they sided for the nationalist agitator. >>10390 > i urge all christcucks in this thread to look into dharmic religions. if you are a fan of jesus and his teachings, you will be a fan of dharmic religions and their teachings This does not follow. Being a fan of yeshuos and his teachings is being a christcuck. Being a fan of yeshuos and his teachings is being a fan of dharmic religions. Ergo, being a fan of dharmic religions is being a cuck too. The problems with the teachings supposedly attributed to him are not limited to the semitic folklore. Maybe your wording wasn't totally on the mark? If you're ready to believe in gods of a chronologically very distant culture that existed in a very distance place, why not go for Roman or German religions then? >>10406 > There's no evidence that Jesus even existed. I spent enough time willing to be the devil's advocate here but the archeological evidence is extremely flimsy. You have perhaps a figure that predates the official Jesus by several decades, or another that came almost a full century late. And again, all to confirm Jewish tales of a Jewish messiah, which means that we couldn't be saved by our own merits but would have to default towards a Jew? I shall pass!
>>10415 Fair point, in that it's in part reconstructed by some and is so weak on the racial side of things that many pollute Asatru with tolerance and even claim it's open to non-Whites. We're reduced to this embarrassing state thanks to Christianity and the fucked up Roman empire. Geographically, the closest book you would find is the Edda(s) and other assorted elements from Celtic and Finnish lore. Reminds me that we had a thread that was dovetailing onto the topic of creating a new religion, but I think it's sliding on its own because of the old board's rules. I might suggest looking into Wotanism but it's far from being sufficiently fleshed out and by its own admission it most likely limits itself to an elite of enlightened spiritual and racially conscious Whites. >>10425 Early Vedic > Late Vedic > Hindu >then go there you disruption shill faggot. i'll have to remember that drawing connections between jesus and vedic religion makes you fags show up. Wait until they claim that Jesus was the reincarnation of Indra, that he wielded a whip like he once wielded a hammer. >>10439 You suck at keyboarding. Your argument is invalid. >>10450 He observes us. >>10451 >The earth belongs to Whites. Not even close. It belongs to those who are willing to take it and who achieve this goal. Right now, I'd say Earth to all the other races but the Whites. >>10495 >They were too driven by a greed for profits and to convert souls, unfortunately. What shit is that? How the fuck could our ancestors even develop a ethnoglobe worldview when they barely knew about what lived beyond the woods and only cared about their own culture and local gods again? >The North American experience should have been the norm in dealing with non-White savages LOWUT A totally failed experience. >>10589 Stop spoiling the fun you NPC.
>>10679 Eh, I'm not surprised that there's no real "archeological evidence" for Jesus. He was just some kike carpenter who preached for a year or two before being crucified. Either way I don't think it makes much of a difference, there's no compelling evidence for him being who it is said he was, and the vast majority of the "proofs" are based on Old Testament verses pilpul'd into oblivion
>>10593 >28,000 examples of centuries-old carvings etched by bored medieval church-goers XD >“It’s everywhere, it tells you what was going on in people’s minds, churches were not always quiet spiritual places, Let's cut to the chase. Dicks or no dicks? >A man wearing a crown, for instance, could be the straw king, an ancient fertility symbol in which a straw man was made from the remnants of the previous year’s crops and then burned, after which its the ashes were strewn over the freshly planted fields. Fucking stretch, especially if we're looking at the article's picture. >Champion is less convinced. “To be honest, I’ve yet to come across a genuine pagan symbol. Not all [medieval Christians] were closet pagans.” Oh they were closet something else. >>10597 >(1) a pagan king who turned to Christianity had a Christian wife who convinced him to convert and start persecuting pagans, and related to this (2) the conversions were largely done from the top-down and people only became authentically Christian after several generations and only incompletely in some more rural areas. Them wives brought with them the family's shekels, right? Could help in conversion. The case of the Frank king who converted, Clovis I think, is interesting too. His pagan faith was tried as his son was dying and could not be saved, but he was told that if he converted Jeebus would save him and lo and behold, the son was miraculously saved. The king converted. This might need a verification but if I got the gist of the story right, I'd say that smells very Jewy in style. >>10657 The Yazidi too. >>10682 With much irony, the most palatable evidence came from Celsus and the Jews themselves. >retroactive pilpul Bretty much yep.
>>10678 >I wonder how fashwave even really caught on, honestly. It is a very ugly aesthetic Shock therapy + nostalgia + cheesy coolness that makes it immediately immune to criticism.
Are there any short (up to five minutes) Anti-Abrahamic redpill videos out there? Don't think I've ever seen one. It could be kino if some good stuff was put together.
>>10681 I know you're joking, but that is not how it works. Plus, it's a new keyboard. I'm still getting used to the keys.
>>10685 maybe someone can gather some material together and start an abrahamism deprogramming thread
>>10701 I’ll have to see if I have anything worth making a thread over. Earlier after I posted that I was trying to find some good music for a video but I didn’t find anything really.
>>728 >childrens Whiter than the mother AND the father I know this is a late reply, but are you really so race-blind that you cannot see that the children are mulattoes? The mother is tanned but still clearly blond and White, while the children are brown and nappy haired, with the exception of the one girl being held by the father. What in the world would make you think that the children are Whiter than their mother?
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>>10720 This is of course all good content, but what I'm thinking of would be something with far more energy behind it, something that really enraptures the listener and exposes them to the truth in a way that they just can't shrug off. Like Hitler edits
Is there room for positive thinking here? What could be humbly salvaged from this religion that would be compatible with a pagan worldview? A few aphorisms? Some visuals that are generalistic enough?
>>10760 The only teaching of Jesus that I think is pretty spot on is "you will know them by their fruits". That's pretty much common sense too. Outside of that, I'm honestly struggling to find anything that is really of good value. The spirit of Christianity repels
>>10764 http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas3.html >Jesus said: If those who lead you say to you: See, the kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heaven will go before you; if they say to you: It is in the sea, then the fish will go before you. But the kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty. (((oddly enough))) that one didnt make it into the bible, its from the nag hammadi. a set of scriptures recovered from an egyptian town named nag hammadi in 1945. mostly gnostic stuff but included a lost book of the bible that was already theorized to exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_Hammadi_library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas
>>2119 I believe this is the book you want The Anti-Humans, by Dumitru Bacu https://archive.org/details/TheAnti-humans-StudentRe-educationInRomanianPrisons
>>10774 We can the same basic idea of that passage in Luke 17:20-21 >When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. 21Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is, or ‘There it is. For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst. But still, the Gospel of Thomas is especially interesting compared to the four that actually made it into the Bible, since it really plays up that idea that you quoted of the kingdom of God being "within" oneself already and immanent within the world, and due to the fact that important things like the crucifixion aren't even mentioned. Compared to a gospel like Mark where Jesus is warning people that the kingdom of God has come near and that people need to repent, Jesus is more of a divine revealer in Thomas. It seems like the later and later after Jesus' actual life different texts were written, the more fantastical Jesus got. In Mark, the earliest gospel, it's pretty mundane and straight forward, but ones like Thomas date from after 100 A.D. I think The church seemed to be terrified of these movements though, people like Marcion, Valentinus, the Cathars much later, etc. Perhaps they were afraid that the god of the kikes was revealed for what he truly was.
>>10789 >Perhaps they were afraid that the god of the kikes was revealed for what he truly was. and what is that exactly? what exactly is that? i like the nag hammadi because it present jesus moreso as a teacher of wisdom that is in line with the eastern wisdom. the gospel of thomas audio book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEW5OUBb-a4
>>10792 >what exactly is that? Several interpretations. All of them posit an imperfect Creator. He is either ignorant and hostile to humanity (Gnostic), unrelentingly righteous and merciless (Marcion) or lower and less spiritual than the ultimate God (Valentinus)
>>901 > see nothing necessarily sobering about the fact that this universe is temporal It is if this creation is your only hope anon. >Cosmotheism is the only worldview that can reconcile all of this and still show man his Purpose And after the heat-death of the universe. What then of your 'theism'? Despair is the only logical outcome of your worldview. Man has no ultimate purpose or destiny. But thankfully, reality isn't actually that way. Those who choose to receive the gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus will literally have purpose, destiny, and fulfillment.
>>10818 You worship a Kike.
>>10818 >And after the heat-death of the Universe A very Abrahamic statement. I don’t believe in what the labcoat priests say, sorry. Eternal Return.
>>10824 No, I worship the one Living God. Abraham's faith and sacrifice afforded us the holy exchange, but he isn't God. >>10828 Prove it isn't inevitable under the laws of physics. The burden of proof is upon you.
>>10829 >implying we know everything about physics >implying dozens of books written by Semites are true or inspired
>>10830 Who says we have to know everything? Do you know 'everything' about the food you ate for breakfast? Just because you're ignorant about something doesn't suddenly imply it's pure fantasy. The fact you have energy to type those words is proof enough of the food's substance. And just in the small subdomain of astrophysics there are literally thousands and thousands of works published. Few of them are by Jews, percentage-wise. Calling black White, doesn't make it so.
>>10831 Notice how you ignored that your “holy” books are literally all written by kikes.
>>10828 >I don’t believe in what the labcoat priests say >people who use experiments and logic to make models that try to describe the universe >same thing as just making up stories peak smoothbrain >>10830 >>implying we know everything about physics >implying heat death isn't a consequence of the second law of thermodynamics, something that has never been violated and should apply to the universe
>>10829 >No, I worship the one Living God Whose supposed son was a kike.
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>>10834 You're failing to realize the difference between actual science and Jewish science. The real redpill is that Jewish science is just as much if not more of a method of totalitarian control than atheists like to claim religion is / was. Now you just trust totally unbiased Promethean technocrats and men in White lab coats to decide all your values and policy
>>10836 Yes jewish science is totally bogus, and obviously you can pay off anyone to say what you want them to say, this is all true. But this doesn't mean you can just throw out all science and everything that scientists say just because some of its kiked. Trusting scientists on everything is obviously retarded, partly because there's always an uncertainty and that doesn't even factor in human error. Science-fetishist's vision of science is far from what it actually is, most of these retards wouldn't last through a quantum mechanics undergrad course, let alone anything actually at the frontier of knowledge. On certain matters I would trust physicists on stuff that pertains to physics, especially laws and theorems that hold and not been disproved. Pertaining to the matter that sparked my post, the second law of thermodynamics does predict heat death of the universe, something else might end the universe first, but heat death is guaranteed if nothing else ends it first, it's just a consequence of the 2nd law.
>>10829 > No, I worship the one Living God Who is also a Kike. >>10838 Please tell us about all muh physicists who deny that trannies are women or say that race is a thing.
Wanna laugh? --https://aryanchristianseparatist.wordpress.com/2018/11/13/the-church-of-the-creator/ >>10774 >>10789 Although far from perfect, it is closer to what I would call Aryan values. The Eastern influence is much more affirmed. There is perhaps even room for a teaching of each one becoming a Christ, a superior man, by allowing this Christ-seed within our selves, from the idea that we have the potential within us and it awaits a revelation of sorts that does not depend on the suffering of some poor lad but on each one of us to do work on ourselves. >>10818 >But thankfully, reality isn't actually that way. Those who choose to receive the gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus will literally have purpose, destiny, and fulfillment. I am not sure what destiny you obtain here, as the end goal is rather blatant and final, failing to pave the way to a whole new set of experiences beyond the actual life. As for the purpose, it appears to be quite the basic one, in loving a dead Jew zombie, praising his jealous Father, to obtain a seat in a realm which itself is a finite state of nothingness. >>10833 Septuagint, a bunch of 70+ Jewish priests who all conveniently managed to transcript the same original text without ever talking to each other. Is that it?
>>10840 To call Klassen a Jew is one of the funniest things I've ever read. What a clown. You can't get much more pro-White than Creativity. >>10838 >the second law of thermodynamics does predict heat death of the universe If you are an Abrahamist you will get blackpilled into nihilism by such "predictions". Unfortunately Abrahamists can't understand cyclical time.
>>10839 >Please tell us about all muh physicists who deny that trannies are women or say that race is a thing. What has that got to do with anything? The mental illness of trannies or the biology of race has nothing to do with physics, so obviously anything that is said by someone, who happens to be a physicist, is going to be based from physics knowledge. It's obviously going to be based on their opinions. Stop being a retard. >>10845 >If you are an Abrahamist you will get blackpilled into nihilism by such "predictions". If you become a nihilist because 10^100 years from now the universe is going to end, you're just fucking retarded. >cyclical time Do you mean cyclical history or the timeline of the universe is cyclical?
>>10851 >Do you mean cyclical history or the timeline of the universe is cyclical? There's no beginning to the universe, or if there was, only of cycles. Today's views are groundlessly tainted with Semitic ideas.
>>10851 okay reddit Jesus was a Kike.
>>10852 >There's no beginning to the universe, or if there was, only of cycles. The universe repeating in cycles is a possible theory in our current understanding. >Today's views are groundlessly tainted with Semitic ideas. Such as? Not baiting, I'm genuinely curious. >>10853 >okay reddit Jesus was a Kike. literally not mentioned jesus once in any of my posts, what the fuck are you going on about?
>>10854 Semitic ideas would be the idea that once the universe reached "heat death" or whatever, it would be the absolute end of everything. The counterpart to this is the idea that the Big Bang was any sort of absolute beginning. Now, we know that isn't necessarily the scientific understanding of it, that is more the popular misconception that gets semiticized. The Big Bang only applies to the observable universe anyway, who knows what happens beyond that
>>10855 >The counterpart to this is the idea that the Big Bang was any sort of absolute beginning. Now, we know that isn't necessarily the scientific understanding of it, that is more the popular misconception that gets semiticized. Agreed, but the big bang does mark a useful zero point for time that we can measure everything from. Assuming there's no way to know what came before, it is a good zero point, further assuming that the universe and big bangs are cyclical (from black holes or whatever), this time between consequent zero points marks the time period of the universe.
>>10856 Yeah it's completely understandable why one would use that as a point to measure off of, regardless of what came before.
>>10857 I guess its similar to wikipedia-educated morons who've read about some abstract theorem that pertains to one particular thing and apply it to everything. Much like how people use Schroedinger's cat to explain superposition of states, ignoring the fact that the point of the thought-experiment was to show how ridiculous the idea is, and that quantum effects are not macroscopic.
>jewish science It's one thing to fling this at (((social scientists))) making unfalsifiable claims, but when you start arguing that experimentally verified physics are a jewish plot you look like a retard. I've been undercover in leftist faggot circles and the people pushing stuff like world ice theory are literal trannies trying to get the retards among us to make us look bad.
>>10860 This. >experimentally verified physics are a jewish plot you look like a retard It's the same retards that see that Einstein's name is plastered all over relativity, without realizing that plenty of other physicists did most of the work(Poincare, Lorentz, Minkowski, etc). Its one thing to say (quite rightly mind you) that jewish influence in academia has made certain subject areas taboo (race to be the main one), but to imply that jews are misleading us in the direction of physics is totally fucking retarded.
>>10845 >You can't get much more pro-White than Creativity. Absolutely. Creativity is literally just one step before radical, brutal and active ethnoglobe; they just argue for a long term strategy where other races will just become weaker as we literally cut all ties with them, and then we'll inherit most of the earth in a distant time into the future, as per some very slow paced White supremacist global strategy that does lead to a form of nearly complete ethnoglobe. >>10852 "We" assume a heat death of the universe only on the basis of what we can see from said universe, presuming it all came to be at the same time, from the same unique point, and moves, expands and evolves at the same speed everywhere. There is evidence that this isn't true. Even if a heat death happens, why should we even care or feel concerned? With all things cyclical and with a pinch of Cosmotheism here, that huge baby grows, ages and dies, only to be reborn from its constituent parts again, and again, etc., ad infinitum. >>10861 >It's the same retards that see that Einstein's name is plastered all over relativity, without realizing that plenty of other physicists did most of the work(Poincare, Lorentz, Minkowski, etc). And then we also have the failed demonstrations, the obvious plagiarism, and err... the wife beating thing too? The age of Einstein is about to end within the coming decades. >but to imply that jews are misleading us in the direction of physics is totally fucking retarded. No, it is not. It actually has totally conflicting theories, including Einstein's own input on one side that is part of the whole monkeying. This rubbish keeps going on merely because Einstein is an idol that cannot be disputed unless you're immediately identified as an antisemite, as his works were supported by the usual Jewish networks since day one. This mechanism is very similar to what maintains the lie about the Polish death camps.
>>10860 >muh experimental verification Over half of science studies can't even be replicated. It's almost all complete bullshit taken on faith. This is a big enough travesty in itself, but science is a religion among the lemmings. Show them a man and a labcoat and they'll do and believe anything. Loads of bullshit public, educational and corporate norms are increasingly decided by bogus Jewish science to force certain norms onto the world as "scientific". If some hooknosed man in a labcoat told you that circumcision is good for your baby because (((science))) says so would you do it? Or that the entire world is being ravaged by some deadly virus and that we need to have the whole society shut down and do whatever they say for the foreseeable future ("The New Normal").
You might enjoy this one guys if you're into CI (you shouldn't but at least it gets your closer to race realism which is somehow a way for you to obtain salvation): http://theseconda.tripod.com/theseconda/The6thCommandment.htm It's a bit of copism imho because I can't see how they could reconcile their corrections about the OT with the rather clear universal and cosmopolitan content of the NT and its meek morals, but it has a point regarding the abuse in wording and translation of the original Commandments.
>>10864 Cosmotheism and Creativity are very much underrated, but is promising that on places like /fascist/ and Neinchan the former specifically has been getting more of the attention that it deserves from people. >Even if a heat death happens, why should we even care or feel concerned? With all things cyclical and with a pinch of Cosmotheism here, that huge baby grows, ages and dies, only to be reborn from its constituent parts again, and again, etc., ad infinitum. This makes the most sense to me. Individuals are born and die, species come and go, and likely this takes place as well on even larger and larger scales, both in terms of seize and scope. Perhaps it says more about the person who laments this too much more than anything the natural processes themselves, pic rel.
>>10864 >The age of Einstein is about to end within the coming decades. Are you implying that the Einstein dick sucking is coming to an end or relativistic (Einsteinian) mechanics are going to be thrown out? > It actually has totally conflicting theories Yes, general relativity and quantum mechanics do not currently work together, this is the outstanding problem of quantum gravity as well as quantum entanglement. >This rubbish keeps going on merely because Einstein is an idol that cannot be disputed Apart from the fact that general relativity is often modified in attempts to try and resolve the problem (fruitlessly, mind you). You make it sound as if general relativity would never be modified if needed, which is untrue. If it needed to be changed or reworked to allow quantum mechanics to play nice with it, nobody would hesitate to change it as long as it still meets all experimental expectations. People in the public sphere suck einstein's cock just because of the jew media. In physics spheres, the main game in town is quantum mechanics, not relativity. If you want a modern day bogus theory that morons cite as true, look at string theory. Those retards don't even think it needs to be experimentally verified. >>10865 >Over half of science studies can't even be replicated. Define science, I can't speak for all branches of science but physics experiments can be replicated and infact it's expected to say clearly in your paper how you did the experiment so other experimentalists can independently verify your results. > Show them a man and a labcoat and they'll do and believe anything Sure, but thats the problem of science-worshippers, the individual scientists and the government for not understanding that science is all about making models that fit the data in such a way that its good enough. You're blaming the whole of science for something that isn't it's fault.
>>10873 Not to say, btw, that as a universe dies, another may grow. Maybe an infinity of them! If a universe contains its own knowledge of what it is, then in a way it can be said that it does learn as it lives. >>10881 >Apart from the fact that general relativity is often modified in attempts to try and resolve the problem (fruitlessly, mind you). Those are peripheral changes because they never reject the core idea of of GR so as to reject it all. Therefore they're bound to fail forever. >You make it sound as if general relativity would never be modified if needed, which is untrue. I didn't want to imply that because the reality of it is that no change will ever turn turd into gold. >If it needed to be changed or reworked to allow quantum mechanics to play nice with it, nobody would hesitate to change it as long as it still meets all experimental expectations. That is not true in my opinion. Most modern science has not shown a strong interest in wanting to change it at all to the point where change would actually be a near complete dismissal of it, chiefly because it requires putting Einstein where he belongs. Not something that can happen in a world controlled by Jews. >People in the public sphere suck einstein's cock just because of the jew media. In physics spheres, the main game in town is quantum mechanics, not relativity. I doubt that. The quantum boys operate in their own field, right, and Special Relativity is doing fine despite the Einsteinian poisoning, but there's a clear pressure to fit with the Einsteinian worldview nevertheless, as a pressure exerted by a larger and frankly outdated Western structure made of many minds all guided by a false doctrine that has had considerable amounts of money, time and research, wasted on absurd mathematical and predictive models, just so that one day, the science that scared Einstein could actually be made to fit with his lunatic ramblings; A theory that has literally hijacked the valid work of many great Whites, older or contemporary to him.
>>10933 I remember an episode of Futurama where it showed that once the universe does out another one begins. Like a total reset.
>>10945 dies*
>>10933 >Those are peripheral changes because they never reject the core idea of of GR so as to reject it all. Therefore they're bound to fail forever. True, it's possible that we can't get quantum gravity to work because we're trying to fit it with something that's wrong. >Most modern science has not shown a strong interest in wanting to change it at all to the point where change would actually be a near complete dismissal of it Experiments have shown support for GR, which is why physicists do not want to get rid of it. For example, modern GPS relies on accounting for time dilation, which is predicted by GR. >The quantum boys operate in their own field, right, and Special Relativity is doing fine despite the Einsteinian poisoning Quantum mechanics and special relativity work together just fine in Quantum Field Theory (courtesy of Paul Dirac), which leads onto QED, QCD and the weak interaction. >but there's a clear pressure to fit with the Einsteinian worldview nevertheless What do you mean by the Einsteinian worldview? The big bang was the absolute beginning? >wasted on absurd mathematical and predictive models String theory?

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