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>>8730 we need more well read paganons to balance out the vedanons

>>8779 I definitely agree. Just as we can neglect the paganism of the East, we certainly can't neglect the more well-known varieties of paganism either, such as the Greek, Roman, Germanic, etc. There are many things worth discussing from these traditions, such as of course the gods, traditional guest hospitality, etc. Recently with reading the Odyssey I found a lot of interesting things said regarding the gods, most interestingly how they often visit in disguises to test people. When Odysseus was in Phaeacia, which is basically a utopian island, it is remarked that the gods come down without disguises, showing themselves in full glory. I've heard something similar said regarding the previous yuga, where apparently the gods often appeared on Earth, but since they despise degeneracy and impurity, they hate coming to Earth even disguised today. This would honestly explain a lot. I will have to post more about this stuff to insert some variety here and there

>>8784 anyone have a greco-roman paganism reading list?

>>8786 I don't have any infographs like those shown in the first post ITT, but I can at least provide you with a few reading suggestions that you might find worth the time: >The Nature of the Gods (by Cicero) >Theogony (by Hesiod) >Iliad (by Homer) >Odyssey (by Homer) >Greek Religion (by Walter Burkert) The final book is actually somewhat academic, but very readable and in-depth, it's not just some pop-his trash. Cicero's Roman, obviously, but unfortunately I don't know as much Roman stuff.

>>8550 >the vedic heavens are very much material realms just like this realm is and the beings that inhabit these realms (the gods) are just very powerful beings who live exquisite lives of paradisaical pleasure (they still experience suffering though, wars with the demons, etc). when their lifespan is over they go back to the cycle of reincarnation as we do. So it's essentially turbo-Earth, were everything is MOAR.

>>8793 Lol, i wouldnt think of it like that. I would think of it moreso like the middle realm (where earth is) is like your workplace, and devaloka, the vedic heavens, are like your hard earned vacation package.

>>8793 >>8794 I've heard that the middle realm is actually the most conducive to liberation. When you're suffering horribly in some lower existence, you hardly have time to think about that sort of higher stuff, but in the realms of the gods it is just so materially perfect that it's not really conducive to spiritually.

>>8789 I'd like to add >Five Stages of Greek Religion -- Gilbert Murray >Treatise of Sallustius (included in the above as an appendix) the Murray book is excellent scholarship, written before literature got dumbed down. the Treatise is an ancient explanation/defense of Greco-Roman paganism, written largely in response to the Church Fathers. here's a convenient link: https://sacred-texts.com/cla/fsgr/index.htm >>8799 >I've heard that the middle realm is actually the most conducive to liberation. When you're suffering horribly in some lower existence, you hardly have time to think about that sort of higher stuff, but in the realms of the gods it is just so materially perfect that it's not really conducive to spiritually. yes, that's the Buddhist view: a human rebirth, with its mixture of pleasure and suffering, is the best opportunity to achieve enlightenment. in the higher and lower realms, there's too much of one or the other.

>>8817 You're definitely right about Sallustius, that was a good one too. Another one that I forgot (even though I literally put a coin with his face in it in the OP) is Julian's Against the Galileans. Though it is of course not solely focused on his own religion, we can definitely draw some interesting information about the gods out of it and what Roman pagans were saying about the gods. I'll have to check out that Murray book as well. Older books often seem so much more erudite. Maybe it's just the more out of date style, but I mean in terms of content.

>>8779 What we need is more info about paganism to prove to the dharmistsfags that European religions had the same concepts of ideas of Dharamists. Indo-European are all Dharma.

>>8828 Actually there's plenty of info out there already on this topic. Nearly all ancient traditions were founded on the concept of Natural Law (i.e. Dharma) and each language had a comparable world, I mention a few of them in the third paragraph of this post >>8721. Traditions such as Asatru are sister paths to Sanatana Dharma.

Since Romanticism was the first step towards resurgent paganism, it's only natural that we should post a few pagan-related poems - here is "The Gods of Greece" by Friedrich Schiller, which is essentially an elegy mourning the destruction of the old gods by modern science and Christianity. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89067100156&view=1up&seq=98

>>8858 The irony of that is that the old gods would never have been killed by science.

>>8789 Add in Hesiod's Works and Days too. It has the story of Pandora, and more importantly the ages of men at the beginning. It might be good to see if we can make a list ITT for beginners to set them on the right track.

Explain to me this, were Aryan religions okay with homosexuality or were completely agaisnt it? I keep seeing websites and some fags who claim to be Dharmaists or pagan who all claim indo-europeans were okay with homosex. Is there anything that easily debunks this or enforces this as a truth?

>>8872 We know that Germanic people threw them in bogs. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Tac.+Ger.+12&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0083 With Greeks there was variation. Pederasty, etc. But anyone who tries to equate homosexual practices in the ancient world with the (((LGBT))) madness today is pilpuling you. They're both degenerate, but it's orders of magnitude. We do see Plato taking a harsh line in Laws, saying that homosexuality is unnatural (1.636c) and that those who engage in it are slaves to pleasure. The same speaker, it seems, also proposes laws banning banning masturbation, homosexual acts and fornication, saying that this is in accordance with nature (8.838-839d) http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0166%3Abook%3D8%3Apage%3D838 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plat.+Laws+8.839&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0166 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plat.+Laws+1.636&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0166 In the Laws of Manu we see homosexuality called an unnatural act which results in the loss of caste (11.68), it's also referred to as an unnatural offense again in 11.175, just saying that the offender "shall bathe, dressed in his clothes". https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu11.htm The best way to dispel all of this debate is to appeal to the concept of physis and nomos. They were very important in Greek philosophy, it refers to the distinction of nature and convention. The laws of nature (physis) were god-ordained, universal, unchangeable, inescapable and eternal while the conventions of man (nomos) were the exact opposite, they were the products of men, particularistic, mutable and escapable if you avoided the authorities. Doing something contrary to nature will bring harm to yourself or your community in the long term. There is simply too much evidence that homosexuality brings STDs, AIDs, cancer, promiscuity, pedophilia, genetic dead-ends and filth into society, and that satisfaction (sexual, life, relationship, and mental health) is associated directly with penile–vaginal Intercourse, but inversely with other forms of deviant sexual behavior. Benis belongs in bagina, simple as. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490558/

>>8874 Thank you, this good evidence enough to counter any retard using Hadrian as an example that they were gay.

>>8874 This still doesn't explain why Japan who practiced buddhism and Shinto which is supposedly very similar to Dharma allowed homosexuality among the royal classes and priests.

>>8876 Hadrian was just smeared by jews(Christians) I don't buy that he was gay.

>>8880 Well he was given the title "Greekling", and was said to be fond of Greek twinks and had a personal twink who some say was of age and some say he was under 15 named Antinous. This case of Antinous and his existence of being Hadrian personal lover is used as an example of gays in Ancient Rome and Greece and it seems that some fags who claim to be Hellenic use this as an example that male penetration was acceptable. Worst part about it was that Antinous was literally made a cult within Rome for males on male lovers.

>>8880 > I don't buy that he was gay. i always wondered this, because it would be the perfect smear peice to assassinate his character that a jew would conjure about thier enemy. like how hitler had one testical a scat fetish and was trans.

>>8882 We know pederasty was not exactly like they claim it was anyway, It was practiced very differently to how they seem to think, and was supposed and did stop upon the boy reaching Majority.

>>8882 The way I see it is that the Romans and Greeks were not spiritually gay, but the aristocracy and how materialistic they acted were definitely more homo than the priests or the religious class and traditional families within Rome and Greece. Homosexuality being in the upper classes who care more for net income does make sense as an example that states who seek to only prosper themselves their material goods and development of cities will only end up becoming fags. Caesar IMO is an example of this, considering it's rumored that he was a twink for king Nicomedes and in many ways Caesar himself was degenerate. The bisexualism of the Romans, Greeks led to their demise and was an shinning example of the moral decline that was becoming of them.

>>8885 They did it to a great many of the emperors, Nero was just fucked up, and they hold him up as some kind of gay Icon.

>>8888 (double heil'd) Nice digits.

>>8889 >Nero was just fucked up, and they hold him up as some kind of gay Icon. He was mentally unstable and is like the way he was because of his abusive mother. It's the almost self-roast from the gay community.

>>8891 Yeah, it's fucking weird, he should have killed her long before he did or his father should have. To be honest I don't care how gay they were, though I know it's played up just how gay, their value system was still far superior to Christianity even with the gay shit.

>>8888 Nice digits. >The way I see it is that the Romans and Greeks were not spiritually gay, but the aristocracy and how materialistic they acted were definitely more homo than the priests or the religious class and traditional families within Rome and Greece. I can agree to this as well, for it shows how corruption grows within powerful people, perfect example that the upper class most be more spiritual as they are political.

>>8893 >their value system was still far superior to Christianity even with the gay shit. I doubt that Christians didn't have gay shit during the late antiquity and medieval eras. >>8894 >perfect example that the upper class most be more spiritual as they are political. In other words, an enlighten aristocracy?

>>8895 Oh I'm sure those corrupt jewish fucks did.

>>8876 Yes, do not let people try to push that it was uniformly accepted as normal or acceptable. But, like you mention with Hadrian, we can find both. I found this in Cicero's The Nature of the Gods, book 1, paragraph 79: >'Yet what sort of human shape would we like? There are very few handsome people. During my time in Athens, it was very hard to find a single handsome lad in every platoon of national servicemen. I know why you're grinning, but my observation is true. A further point: those of us who take our cue from the philosophers of old, and enjoy the company of young men, often find even their physical defects attractive. For Alcaeus, the mole upon a young lad's wrist appeals; though a mole is a physical blemish, the poet considered it a beauty-spot [...]

>>8879 Religions are only as good as those who practice it, unfortunately. Customs can easily stray from nature, resulting in harm and decadence in the long term. Buddhism is a bit decadent itself.

>>8874 Can you explain whether Ganymede is a real myth or full of shit?

>>8919 Well, we know that the myth appears as early as in Homer’s Iliad. What it explicitly says is this (20.230-34): >And Erichthonius begat Tros to be king among the Trojans, and from Tros again three peerless sons were born, Ilus, and Assaracus, and godlike Ganymedes that was born the fairest of mortal men; wherefore the gods caught him up on high to be cupbearer to Zeus by reason of his beauty, that he might dwell with the immortals. What this said is that Zeus thought Ganymede was beautiful and so made him his cupbearer. This doesn’t necessarily imply a divine dicking from Zeus. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hom.+Il.+20.230-34&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134 Nevertheless Ganymede became associate with pederasty. The term “catamite” comes from the Latin name for Ganymede, meaning a boy who is in a relationship with a pederast. Interestingly though in the part from the first book of Plato’s Laws that I linked in the post above that you are replying to, the Athenian speaker says: >And we all accuse the Cretans of concocting the story about Ganymede. Because it was the belief that they derived their laws from Zeus, they added on this story about Zeus in order that they might be following his example in enjoying this pleasure as well. “We all accuse?” Plato writes the dialogue here to make this sound commonplace, saying that the Cretans were using this tale to justify their homosexual proclivities / pederast degeneracy. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plat.+Laws+1.636&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0166

>>8864 The exact way myths were meant to be interpreted underwent some changes and interpretations, but this was not creating atheists en masse. The existence of the gods (or some sort of divinity) was essentially beyond dispute for them outside of a handful of marginal cases. Scientism is the real problem

>>8872 See it like this, the Aryan religions specifically says that man and woman must only be together. Anyone who thinks that homosexuality is allowed is because of the bad logic of the Romans, Greeks, etc that as long as the male looks, dress, and acts like a female then the twink can be identified as a male. Some might of also had the logic as long as they are young and feminine then therefore it's acceptable for whatever reason. But all of these go agaisnt the Aryan spiritualities about how male love is not sexual but platonic or brotherly and make and female love is passionate and harmonizing and of creation. All Aryan and true Aryans did not want twinks as male lovers no matter their apperance as a matter of fact a male who looks and acts female would be mocked or even toughened up, so his feminine apperance is outsed by his inner and true masculinity and his masculinity is back to being aligned with his spirit.

>>8934 >the twink can be identified as a male. Meant can't be identified as a male

>>8933 I dislike Scientism as a word it's too associated with christcuckery for me but it gets the point across, I was saying that the Old gods as the Romans and Greeks viewed it would have simply been modified with the new information to spread the idea and not just thrown the information out there to interfere with the faith of the plebians/lemmings.

>>8948 >I was saying that the Old gods as the Romans and Greeks viewed it would have simply been modified with the new information to spread the idea and not just thrown the information out there to interfere with the faith of the plebians/lemmings. Ah, I see what you mean, and yes I'd definitely agree with that. >Scientism Christkikes misuse it, but it's in reference to a real thing, that being that the scientific method is the only way to secure knowledge of any kind, or that only scientific claims are really meaningful. Of course, science and religion are yet another false dichotomy that the Jews have forced upon us.

>>8949 I agree that that shit is fucked by they use it for people even pagans who claim evolution is real, partly because they still refuse to see the evidence and even though some of the more intelligent ones go for intelligent design they still misuse and misinterpret evidence, I even saw some dumbfuck yesterday claim that the bible says the earth is not flat and that flat earth comes from "Pagans" and that it knew "scientific facts" before science, when the fact is they just stole that knowledge from Greek and Roman works that have now been lost. That term just feels like hypocrisy even though I know it's an accurate descriptor of many leftists and even some on the right.

>>8919 It was adopted by the Cretans who were fond of homosexuality and was likely created by them to justify it, as noted by Plato. It is completely unique to Greek mythology and no other stories like it are in other Indo-European religion and tales, so it's probably just bullshit.

>>8786 >>8789 Do pagans have the whole become a God thing as well as the vedics do?

>>8952 I just shake my head reading bullshit like you've seen in your post. Abrahamism is truly the bane of this planet. It's low-brow, easily-digestible, offerings comforting lies in face of a harsher reality, and is founded on humbling the strong, intelligent and noble in favor of the weak, dimwitted, wretched. No wonder they have become so powerful. It's intellectually bankrupt and it always has been. Even from the very, very beginning they had to create all sorts of pilpul doctrines and explanations to explain Christianity. One good example of this chutzpah is with Justin Martyr. He claimed that Jesus was the Logos / Divine Reason, and that anyone who had accessed this prior to the coming of Jesus was essentially Christian in some way! Thus they attempted to appropriate Heraclitus, Socrates, Plato, claiming that the latter was a student of Moses. We wuz philosophers! >>8963 We can find a couple of examples that show man's soul to be of a divine nature, but there aren't many examples of a man becoming a god. Think that can be found with a demigod or two though.

>>8934 The thing is I tend to relate to females sometimes. Does this mean I'm doomed? Even though I am not a homosexual?

>>8974 >The thing is I tend to relate to females sometimes. What exactly do you mean by this?

>>8964 >>8952 Regarding brainlet Christians, Nietzsche summed them up pretty well in one section of Will to Power, saying some similar things to what was said by you guys: >The Christian movement is a degeneracy movement com­posed of reject and refuse elements of every kind: it is not the expression of the decline of a race, it is from the first an agglomera­tion of forms of morbidity crowding together and seeking one another out— It is therefore not national, not racially conditioned; it appeals to the disinherited everywhere; it is founded on a rancor against everything well-constituted and dominant: it needs a symbol that represents a curse on the well-constituted and dominant— It also stands in opposition to every spiritual movement, to all philosophy: it takes the side of idiots and utters a curse on the spirit. Rancor against the gifted, learned, spiritually independent: it detects in them the well-constituted, the masterful,

>>8963 Read up on Hercules and Dionysus, both mortals then gods, in short, yes but only for deeds so extraordinary the gods make you one themselves and there are those who viewed, and those who view, the gods as our ancestors and think or believe they all attained divinity through great deeds, who truly knows? >>8964 So do I, I can't even muster the will to oppose their idiocy anymore because not only does it waste time, possibly hours, usually for no clear win or loss on the argument, but it honestly feels like I lose IQ for even doing it, because to do so I have to go through and debunk every point of the "christiansfortruth.com" article or other such bullshit and then they just scripture their way out of it anyway. >>8976 I like Nietzsche's following line: “This is precisely why the Jews are the most disastrous people in world history: they have left such a falsified humanity in their wake that even today Christians can think of themselves as anti-Jewish without understanding that they are the ultimate conclusion of Judaism.” Based as fuck.

>>8981 Nietzsche’s got so many great quotes on Christianity and so many other things. I think he really grasped a lot of things much clearer than a lot of us, not that I agree with him entirely. Another favorite of mine comes from Twilight of the Idols: >Christianity, which springs from a Jewish root and is understandable only as a growth on this soil, represents the countermovement to every morality of breeding, of race, of privilege—it is the anti-Aryan religion par excellence: Christianity as the revaluation of all Aryan values, the triumph of chandala values, the gospel preached to the poor, the lowly, the general rebellion of all the oppressed, the miserable, the failures, the unfortunates, against “race”—the immortal chandala vengeance as a religion of love . . . >I can't even muster the will to oppose their idiocy anymore The mental gymnastics can be even worse if you’re not starting from a somewhat redpilled /pol/ foundation. See pic related. I overdosed a Republican friend on JQ redpills and I get this text the next day. The only way you could ever possibly conclude that the kikes – the people behind literally everything directly killing our people and spreading filth today – are somehow following the plan of God would be from having nonsense from the Bible clogging up one’s critical thinking skills and a (sub)conscious idea of the Jews still being “Chosen” in some way. Luckily he’s started trashing kikes to me unprompted and has apparently talked to his GF about Jews so maybe it’s not an insurmountable obstacle. With online stuff though it’s basically fruitless, especially with imageboards where you just throw shit back and forth until one stops responding

>>8985 Luckily, it's hardly insurmountable when they remember jews put Christ on a cross, which is how I don't understand how Israel worship ever snaked its way into evangelicals in this country. At least, it was bloody easy for me to start despising them after I learned a thing or two, their whole history as it relates to Christianity is killing every "good jew" (prophet) that walked among them, up to and including the Son of God Himself. The real trouble comes, as pointed out earlier ITT by mister Nietzsche, with certain tenets of Christianity which undeniably lend themselves to notions of racial equality, all being one blood, etc. etc. etc, those are the hard ones to dislodge, since those are commands from the few "good jews." I have a lot of difficulty dislodging those myself, have to practice some doublethink admittedly.

>>8985 >pic related I remember when you talked about this when it happened over in QTDDOT, in fact you brought it up to me and expressed envy over my spiritual beliefs. Yeah, though even with that redpilled /pol/ foundation, the ones I am finding on telegram have rationalized those beliefs alongside their hatred of kikes, etc. that go in direct contradiction of not only the fictional Jesus's words, but all available records on what Mark wrote on his character's sayings. I've just started recommending they read one of the books I posted links to over in the literature thread, called the Fair Races Darkest Hour, it starts with an essay telling the entire story of Rome vs. Judea, Judea vs. Rome, and goes well into the late Roman empire as well as into the split to East and West Rome, and takes much inspiration from Nietzsche, who took inspirations from the Romans themselves. I haven't finished the book yet, but am on Pierce's Who We Are within it, though some parts are omitted, I assume for brevity, the book is 600 pages or so. Hopefully that changes some minds, I may see some results soon, and it will confirm whether some of these people are at all recoverable, or whether they become just another body on the pile of Kalki. >>8988 It's easier to dislodge those things if, like me, you were never indoctrinated into them as a child. I used to wonder, somewhat enviously, why my mother never got me baptised, or went to church. Yet, had me claim to be a Catholic, so I would get last rites and be buried in a Graveyard should anything happen to me. Now, I am very thankful that I wasn't, as to me, it means my soul was never touched by the evil that now pervades over my people. Christian Ethics are hard to undo when the programming was put in early, but it can be done. Maybe, one day, you'll be just like the rest of us here, a heathen to the core.

>>8975 I don't know, that I'm bitchy? Like I don't like things to be too uptight.

>>8988 To me, it's hardly surprising that Israel worship wormed its way in, based on some of the stuff that Paul said >>8064 and due to the fact that Christians keep the Old Testament, and thus everything that is said about the Jews in there. >>8989 I'll have to check out some of those books myself to get a better grasp on the issues we face with Christianity. I'm sure it goes far deeper than I can imagine. Good luck on redpilling those people. >>8990 >I'm bitchy That's the worst female trait I can imagine, so I'd try to exorcise that part of yourself away as quick as possible. Even worse when it is present in a male, because they bad female behaviors are only all the more obvious when exhibited by males. When I was younger I used to bitch and complain constantly, but once I realized what a little bitch I was being, I started to control myself more and just suck it up.

I like how this *somehow* turned into a discussion about christianity

>>9010 Dismantling and investigating Christianity and Abrahamism at large has therapeutic value. In discussing and picking apart Abrahamism, there is much to be learned about true Aryan attitudes and traditions.

>>8880 >Hadrian was just smeared by jews(Christians) I don't buy that he was gay. Are there any antiquity historians who refer to Antonius being a real person and the lover of Hadrian? Most of the accounts of Antonius comes from professors from a bunch of universities and even the busts I believe weren't from Rome itself but made by modern sculptors. I think the whole homosexuality in Rome was common, art depicting homosexuality, twinks being acceptable to extents is one big massive fraud.

>>9013 >Are there any antiquity historians who refer to Antonius being a real person and the lover of Hadrian? Cassius Dio is one historian who was *born* some twenty years after Hadrian died. Not sure when he wrote this work, but here is what he says: >In Egypt also he rebuilt the city named henceforth for Antinous. Antinous was from Bithynium, a city of Bithynia, which we also call Claudiopolis; he had been a favourite of the emperor and had died in Egypt, either by falling into the Nile, as Hadrian writes, or, as the truth is, by being offered in sacrifice. For Hadrian, as I have stated, was always very curious and employed divinations and incantations of all kinds. Accordingly, he honoured Antinous, either because of his love for him or because the youth had voluntarily undertaken to die (it being necessary that a life should be surrendered freely for the accomplishment of the ends Hadrian had in view), by building a city on the spot where he had suffered this fate and naming it after him; and he also set up statues, or rather sacred images, of him, practically all over the world. Finally, he declared that he had seen a star which he took to be that of Antinous, and gladly lent an ear to the fictitious tales woven by his associates to the effect that the star had really come into being from the spirit of Antinous and had then appeared for the first time. On this account, then, he became the object of some ridicule, and also because at the death of his sister Paulina he had not immediately paid her any honour . . . https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/69*.html That paragraph is the only mention of Antinous in the one chapter on Hadrian that Cassius Dionwrote. Sounds pretty obsessive and weird to me, honestly. Another ancient source: >During a journey on the Nile he lost Antinous, his favourite, and for this youth he wept like a woman. Concerning this incident there are varying rumours; for some claim that he had devoted himself to death for Hadrian, and others — what both his beauty and Hadrian's sensuality suggest. But however this may be, the Greeks deified him at Hadrian's request, and declared that oracles were given through his agency, but these, it is commonly asserted, were composed by Hadrian himself. A note to this says: >According to Dio, LXIX.11, Hadrian claimed in his autobiography (see note to c. i.1) that Antinous was drowned in the Nile; he then adds that the true cause of his death was his voluntary sacrifice of himself, apparently in consequence of some prophecy, in order to save the Emperor's life. https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Historia_Augusta/Hadrian/1*.html Again not a very detailed account. That’s the only mention of him in the two parts on Hadrian’s life and reign in that book. I think it’s interesting to note that both authors offer two interpretations – either Hadrian honored him after death because he was a fag who loved him, or because he had sacrificed his life for whatever reason for Hadrian. There might have been some faggotry involved, but I think it’s telling that both works that I quoted only mention this entire thing in passing, and don’t mention his name outside of that context. Also worth noting what the Wikijew says: >Antinous became associated with homosexuality in Western culture, appearing in the work of Oscar Wilde and Fernando Pessoa. Hmm

>>9007 Feel free, I posted with just calling them essential reading, perhaps I should have written more on their subject matter but I had only read the one called Daybreak at that point, and that spurred me to read FRDH.

>>8921 >From Ganymede go Gaynmed

>>8952 > I even saw some dumbfuck yesterday claim that the bible says the earth is not flat and that flat earth comes from "Pagans" The flat earth was pushed as part of a smear campaign against the Church. I don't think it's even been shown once that the Church adopted this view. Its adversaries made a strawman out of this iirc.

>>8985 >I think he really grasped a lot of things much clearer than a lot of us How old are you all? >The only way you could ever possibly conclude that the kikes – the people behind literally everything directly killing our people and spreading filth today – are somehow following the plan of God would be from having nonsense from the Bible clogging up one’s critical thinking skills and a (sub)conscious idea of the Jews still being “Chosen” in some way. What if the plan is to entertain God? Like all of this is a stage and we're being tried? That the kikes are the proverbial tricksters, the ones who have only one purpose: create as many problems as possible? Imagine that life wouldn't be that important in the end, wouldn't you be enjoying your popcorn? Wouldn't the whole drama be extremely pleasant to watch from your sofa?

>>8985 I've a friend who interprets jews being the "chosen" to mean "chosen to bring about the end of the world." Personally I just think he's trying to reconcile his christcuckery with his disdain for yids.

>>9078 How would he reconcile that with half the stuff in this post >>5764 or the idea that "Salvation is of the Jews"?

>>9080 >>9080 He doesn't believe in the old testament.

>>9084 Ironically even the New Testament is Judeophilic and the more cucked of the two. I hope he is able to overcome it sooner or later.

>>9044 Flat earth was literally stolen by Christkikes from ancient cosmology, it was official position of the church at one point, far more ancient than they knew as both the Greeks and Romans knew earth was an imperfect sphere.

>>8793 From the same post >this doesnt mean that you become a god like in mormonism, where you would go on to create your own universe or planet or whatever. "gods" and "heavens" are sort of poor translations. This idea was from Mormonism? I thought it was from the vedic or jains who believe this.

>>9092 I wouldn't say it is from Mormonism, but the idea can be found in Mormonism in some form. If I remember correctly God used to be a mortal and the universe is made out of eternal uncreated elements

>>9092 The vedics just believe you can become Godly and that's it, you can't become God himself nor a principle deity.

new asha logos video about the oera linda book https://www.bitchute.com/video/3afMkHPJwAiX/

Some interesting Jain texts / overviews: https://www.sacred-texts.com/jai/ http://www.umich.edu/~umjains/jainismsimplified/jainsimp.html https://archive.org/details/Tattvarthsutra/mode/1up https://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/jaingloss.html https://iep.utm.edu/jain/ I like the basic ideas, but I'm not sure about it ethically (extreme ahimsa and asceticism)

“For now truly is a race of iron, and men never rest from labor and sorrow by day, and from perishing by night; and the gods shall lay sore trouble upon them. But, notwithstanding, even these shall have some good mingled with their evils. And Zeus will destroy this race of mortal men also when they come to have grey hair on the temples at their birth. The father will not agree with his children, nor the children with their father, nor guest with his host, nor comrade with comrade; nor will brother be dear to brother as aforetime. Men will dishonor their parents as they grow quickly old, and will carp at them, chiding them with bitter words, hard-hearted they, not knowing the fear of the gods. They will not repay their aged parents the cost of their nurture, for might shall be their right: and one man will sack another's city. There will be no favor for the man who keeps his oath or for the just or for the good; but rather men will praise the evil-doer and his violent dealing. Strength will be right, and reverence will cease to be; and the wicked will hurt the worthy man, speaking false words against him, and will swear an oath upon them. Envy, foul-mouthed, delighting in evil, with scowling face, will go along with wretched men one and all. And then Aidos and Nemesis, with their sweet forms wrapped in White robes, will go from the wide-pathed earth and forsake mankind to join the company of the deathless gods: and bitter sorrows will be left for mortal men, and there will be no help against evil.“ My question is how did so many ancients foresee the degeneracy of today coming. The Age of Iron / Kali Yuga is undeniably real

Is it cucked to let men outside of your family see your wife? We know that the Greek house provided women with a separate women's quarters called the gynaeceum, either divided up by partitions or given a separate area of the house. I was also intrigued by the mentions of Penelope being veiled several times in the Odyssey, so I did a bit of searching and learned that there is some evidence from statues and texts that women often wore veils of some kinds in public, and this was in a way seen as an extension of the separateness of women in the domestic space. I've also found some cringe wicca girls wearing headcoverings because of stuff like this.

>>8988 >I don't understand how Israel worship ever snaked its way into evangelicals in this country Sellouts who quickly acknowledged who holds power in the USA and who with a little bit of contortions managed to slightly transform the message of love so that forgiveness should be extended to the Jews too, even going as far as forgetting about the crime (not that I care much about kikes killing kikes), so much that one US Christian can sing the praises of the Jews' ability to save us all. These evangelicals in those megachurches are scary and will certainly represent a considerable problem in our struggle. They're far more pro-kike and pro-Zion than even pro-White, or at best are deluded in thinking both can be reconciled in a fight against the Islamic world. >Jesus, a good rabbi The same who seeks to divide families, to jam a wedge between old faith (likely pagan) and the (((new one))), who wants to spread hatred within the kin but wants all to love him because he claims he's the only way towards his laughable father who got disappointed that his favorites kikes didn't succeed according to his precious little plans? Christian pilpul really is a thing, and that thing is absolutely sickening. >>8989 >Pierce's Who We Are Bloody prime reading material, that one too! With true chunks of ethnoglobing too.

>>9240 >The same who seeks to divide families My favorite part about this verse is that Christians like to quote it as if it proves that Christianity is actually something masculine and willing to fight its enemies, but then when one reads it in context it's actually one of the most cucked and subversive verses in the entire Bible. Pure pilpul>>9240

>>9016 >That paragraph is the only mention of Antinous in the one chapter on Hadrian that Cassius Dionwrote. Sounds pretty obsessive and weird to me, honestly. It depends on what love means, on top of the original context and the exact latin words used. When love can be far more related to fides and deep affection for a good man of value, than anything about sexually infused emotions, the meaning changes. Beyond the mention of love, which Cassius Dio puts as or condition, all the rest of the description is centered on the notion of sacrifice: it is hard to understand how much it was a decision from Antinous himself or was forced upon him. Whatever ensued only testifies of a deep respect of what has been given through this sacrifice. OTOH, the deep affection is... well, very deep, so might have really been something homo erotic going on there. Although I can totally understand weeping like a woman if one were to lose his best friend. For godssake, people can weep for pets and no one is going to pretend it's related to zoophilia, right? >>9078 So Yahweh created a world that he wanted to see destroyed, not because he got disappointed by men multiple times, but just because he really wanted to assblast good old Earth and somehow, at some point, seems to have realized that Jews would be real gud at it. If that is not some king of gigacope. >>9084 A pity, the OT is more based than this trash collection of books called NT.

Are we continuing the discussions started in >>708 and >>10 here?

>>9245 I'm not Latin scholar, but I took a little bit in college, so I thought I'd go and look at what the text said to see if I could shed any light on the issue for us, but apparently (and surprisingly) it looks like Cassius Dio wrote his work in Greek, so that shit is essentially impenetrable to me. Knowing that in the one section though, the phrase "because of his love for him" is used, I went and scanned the text for any of the Greek words for love - i.e. philia, agape, eros, etc. We do see the word ἔρωτα, which is apparently a form of ἔρως, i.e. eros - love, desire of a romantic or sexual type. I wouldn't take this as definitive or anything, just that yeah there was probably something a bit homoerotic going on here. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=69.11.3&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0593 >A pity, the OT is more based than this trash collection of books called NT. Agreed. >>9247 I don't think it would be out of place, honestly. It's kind of a mess how we have our religion threads right now anyway. We have this thread, the Dharmic philosophy thread (why the split?) and then that thread. Guess we'll see what the OP of that thread says though.

>>9247 I saw you mentioned >>10 too. For that one, yes definitely, this thread is the successor to that since it hit the bump-limit.

>>9088 I hope so, too, but I don't see it happening. He's a pretty reasonable guy, and I was able to pull him away somewhat from his position of, "Whites aren't superior because all races are talented in certain ways, we just don't belong in the same lands." I think there's nothing wrong with his latter point but I talked him through my view that, just like different animals have evolved to be superior to one another, different races of men have done the same. >>9199 They read more like warnings than premonitions to me. >>9209 I think there is nothing wrong with modest clothing. That said, it's not really a religious question unless the greeks separated women because of their religion. Was this the case? >>9245 >So Yahweh created a world that he wanted to see destroyed, not because he got disappointed by men multiple times, but just because he really wanted to assblast good old Earth and somehow, at some point, seems to have realized that Jews would be real gud at it. If that is not some king of gigacope. I may have to discuss this with him. I'm not sure if he'll come around on it right away but you're right that the logic doesn't follow. Then again, most of the logic in the bible doesn't follow.

>>9255 >Whites aren't superior because all races are talented in certain ways, we just don't belong in the same lands. You'd be surprised to find people in the right who believe this. The nature of superiority and inferiority exists in the races. There are some who would say that he is lucky or glad that he is born White (the only superior race imo) and therefore sees no reason for the other races to exist and would want them exterminated. And that would be the other end of the spectrum.

>>9078 >>9084 That sounds like he is some sort of Gnostic.

>>9255 >"Whites aren't superior because all races are talented in certain ways, we just don't belong in the same lands." I mean I get the logic and its a lot more in accordance with reality than the vast majority of the population, but what I would say would be that diversity by its very nature implies inequality, and this - in one way or another - means that there is a superior and inferior. Since he's Christian he at least shouldn't believe in some sort of insane relativism. In the same way an intelligent White man is inferior to a drooling literal retard who is White, so is the average White man to the black. I'm preaching to the choir here, but who knows, maybe you could draw a new point to touch on in the future. >They read more like warnings than premonitions to me. I could definitely see that. Seeing as how the gods in that poem are said to still be ordaining laws, standards of justice, and meting out punishment upon men when they are wicked, they are obviously not just allowing humankind to degenerate, even if the current race (accepting the story of the poem for a moment) is more imperfect than those in the previous ages of man.

>>9258 He might be, but is unaware of the gnostics if that's the case. >>9263 He has a bit of relativism in some of his other points, yes, but he's not what I would call a moral relativist.

Two things on the Slavs. The first is an encyclopedia of Russian and Slavic myth, the second is a paper analyzing the three-headed god Triglav. If anyone knows of other things that give info on Slavic paganism please let me know.

>>9255 >I think there is nothing wrong with modest clothing. That said, it's not really a religious question unless the greeks separated women because of their religion. Was this the case? It's harder to draw a definite conclusion than one would initially think. As you probably know, in the ancient world there was very little separation between religion, politics and daily life in general. Society was a religious society by definition. We also know that common to almost every Indo-European society is the dichotomy of purity versus impurity. Things such as death, childbirth, sexual intercourse, menstruation and general filth created a miasma that needed to be purified via ablutions to become pure again. In ancient Greece and many Indo-European pagan religions we have more of a culture of shame and honor than a culture of guilt. The honor of a man was linked to the sexual purity of women in his family and this reflected back on how he was seen in the eyes of the community. There's some evidence that even being seen by men outside of the family was intensely embarrassing for Greek women, arousing in them feelings of shame. This was represented by the goddess Aidos, the goddess of shame and modesty. It's likely, in my mind, that they would have been seen as a disgrace to the gods and their families if they dressed like harlots.

>>9265 A degree of relativism on some questions isn't necessarily bad, depending what exactly it would be in regards to, but I think the important thing for him would be seeing some sort of "morality of Nature" / Laws of Nature at work that would show that there is clearly superiority versus inferiority to some degree at work in the world around us.

>>9271 Much obliged for the books. More info on Slavic Culture and religion is always appreciated. >If anyone knows of other things that give info on Slavic paganism please let me know. There is a link in the previous thread that provided a book regarding Rodnevery (the main group(s) practicing the old Slavic ways). >>468 Other than that, sources on Slavic mythology and religion in general are going to be quite scarce, moreso in English. Due to being in a similar situation with the Celts, there was little to no written sources made back then on the exact practices and beliefs. The best sources would be from local folktales in Slavic lands. It may help to study Russian or another Slavic language to better find more sources.

>>9289 Thanks for bringing that book back to my attention. Now that you have linked it, I remember that I had forgotten to download it, so I will do that now and hopefully give it a read here soon. Paganism in Eastern Europe seems to be especially vigorous for some reason, and much larger than in many Western nations. I can only wonder if it was because the peasants were never truly Christianized in total. Of course they adopted things such as Jesus, God, the devil and the like, but apparently the belief in witches, forest spirits, and the like persisted quite strongly. There is even a term in Russian circles called "dvoeverie" or dual faith which attests to this: https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/dvoeverie

>>8789 >>8817 >>8825 >>8871 Tomorrow at some time I will try to compile these into a reading guide image for future threads and for sharing in general. If anyone has any other suggestions that fit in with the theme of Greco-Romanism paganism let me know

First draft, lemme know what you think.

>>9346 Here is a paper on this. I was unaware of this, and the paper I have attached makes it seem bigger than one would imagine. >Nevertheless, the essentialist message of Makeyev’s interpretation emphasizes the tradition’s connection to the natural world, making the Uatsdin/Æss Din a likely candidate for a ‘nature religion’. ‘The ultimate divine reality is light’, he explains, remecting a notion that can be found in a range of Iranian religions stretching all the way back into pre-history. ‘Unlike in Christianity which separates God from his Creation, we take a collective approach where everything is interconnected’. >Estimating the actual number of those who practice the Ossetian popular religion is impossible, but clearly there are many thousands of sympathizers throughout North and South Ossetia and beyond. Many such individuals can be found within the military, and also among hunters and other sportsmen, no doubt attracted by the sort of values they see remected in the heroic Narts. Some intellectuals also lnd it appealing, perhaps thanks to its valorization of national culture > the Uatsdin movement has triggered strong condemnations and oflcial complaints from Ossetia’s Christian and Muslim leaders. Even the Russian Orthodox archbishop Leonidas in Moscow has sought to silence it by trying to ban Makeyev’s books as ‘extremist literature’, going so far as to call on his personal con-tacts from when he was a general in the Russian state security service, the FSB.

>>9349 > the Uatsdin movement has triggered strong condemnations and oflcial complaints from Ossetia’s Christian and Muslim leaders. Even the Russian Orthodox archbishop Leonidas in Moscow has sought to silence it by trying to ban Makeyev’s books as ‘extremist literature’, going so far as to call on his personal con-tacts from when he was a general in the Russian state security service, the FSB. in the asha logos videos he says that the scythians are the common origin of all indo-european peoples. authentic scythian religion surviving to the modern day? definitely could tell us a lot.

>>9349 >Estimating the actual number of those who practice the Ossetian popular religion is impossible, but clearly there are many thousands of sympathizers >We can't estimate so here is an estimate. Well... >boox How many has this Makeyev written?

>>9358 >How many has this Makeyev written? The paper cites two written works. I doubt for some reason that that is all that he has written, but if that's so it's amazing that so few works could cause Christians and Muslims to chimp so hard. It's a shame that they appear to be in Russian and will likely never get translations. >>9355 You're right that there definitely may be some good stuff in there for us to look into. This is also how I feel about the religion of the Kalash people in Pakistan. Their religion is more or less pure from Dravidian influences. They still even worship Indra as the supreme deity, and have the familiar aspects of Aryan religion like purity versus impurity, animal sacrifice, etc. The Muslim world is impure too kek http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/KalashaReligion.pdf

>>9362 >It's a shame that they appear to be in Russian and will likely never get translations maybe someone can setup a github for it or something similar to how that old nazi fitness manual was translated about a year ago.

>>9370 Quick rundown - what happened with that? Also we'd have to figure out if we can even find these works online.

>>9370 Da.

>>9362 It would reveal something about the Kalashi's distant past if the warlike and protector divinity became the main one. It would be like Romans going full Mars, yet they didn't despite being a society waging wars every monday or so. >Munjem 'malik' >Lord of Middle Earth Wait. WHAT? >tip of mountains = purest The sea sucks. So do the seagulls. Fresh water, purest up there, right, but sea faring people wouldn't really see much logic in this. I wonder if it still relates to past events where the Kalashi had to seek refuge in the mountains against the Muslims and other shitskins who lived in the valleys: mountains were easier to hide in and defend. So I wonder if the impurity is caused by the geography or by the things that live at the feet of the mountains, or if on a general term, all dead matters go down. >women are impure Not so hot on this one.

>>9377 >Lord of Middle Earth The Middle Earth is the realm which continues humans, animals and the world around us, distinguished from the heavenly realms and hellish realms. The purity of the higher regions is best understood in this way. The gods are heavenly beings, the sky is associated heavens, mountains pierce the sky, thus mountains are the closest to the gods. In Greece the gods lived on Mount Olympus. It may have something also to do with the idea that you mentioned that "all dead matters go down." >Not so hot on this one. You can't view it in an absolute sense. Men can lapse into impurity as much as women can, but women are more impure by nature since they bleed out of their holes every month and give birth - both things which, though natural, are quite the opposite of clean. The impurities can (temporarily) be washed away via ablutions, at most it probably means that a man would avoid having sex with his wife while she is on her period, or contact with women in childbirth (for men, at least), as was the case in ancient Greece.

>>9370 >nazi fitness manual I'd like to see that. Could you post a link to it (or the pdf itself) in /sig/?

>>9377 (check'd&kek'd) >Wait. >WHAT? hmmmmmmmm...... >>9388 the old gitlab link doesnt work anymore. i found out about it on 16chan.xyz. maybe if you search for it you can find it. Nazi fitness manual sounds impressive, and i only skimmed through it, but it didnt look like anything crazy. it was mostly simple exercises based around playing certain sports to promote fitness. it was called Sportvorschrift für das Heer. https://gitlab.com/sportvorschrift-fur-das-heer

I wonder if it would be helpful to identify common features contained within many Aryan religions. Here's what I can think of off the top of my head: >cosmic cycles >purity versus impurity >polytheism (hierarchically organized) >some ideas of Dharma / Natural Law >no divide between the secular and religious >hierarchy of duties and functions in man >particularism over universalism

>>9498 Animal sacrifice

>>9500 Yes, that's definitely a thing that we can't forget that many modern religions, it seems, have moved away from for one reason or another - the reason is beyond me, but might have something to do with humans in general becoming softer and more domesticated. Another thing I think worth noting is that Judeo-Christianity is responsible for individualism to an extent, or at least the seeds of it. Paganism stresses membership in the community, one's role within it, the communitarian bond, and participation in rituals with the community, while in Christianity and similar individualistic religions, the way to salvation is purely individual. One has a personal relationship with God. Solidarity is ruptured with the community. Some Japanese nationalists like Hozumi Yatsuka pointed out how Buddhism and Christianity have been instrumental in destroying Völkisch states in this way.

>>8833 >Actually there's plenty of info out there already on this topic. Nearly all ancient traditions were founded on the concept of Natural Law (i.e. Dharma) and each language had a comparable world Right but, what is important is how they perceived the concept of the natural law. I still wonder how similar Astaru was to Dharma within India and Persia in terms of concepts, ideas, and beliefs instead of just similar names of their gods. One of things that have been bugging me is if the Astaru Nords believed in similar ideas of the Vedic cosmology and held the ideas of Jainism's belief that to obtain the power or gifts out of the gods one must earn the respect or diligence rather than doing simple prayer and if they meditated regularly.

>>9502 >it seems, have moved away from for one reason or another - the reason is beyond me, but might have something to do with humans in general becoming softer and more domesticated. Perhaps the opposite. Obtaining meat by killing an animal according to strict ritualistic constraints, a certain animal with certain features and qualities at a special time and in a special place for a higher purpose (an offering to the gods, elevation to a higher form of life) is more dignified than the disgusting horror of the modern slaughterhouses of modern society; the slaughterhouse is listed as a symptom of kali yuga. The romans and the vedics both held the belief that the animals shouldnt feel pain or fear during the ritual and that it was a bad omen if they did, meaning the ritual wasnt properly performed, mantras were recited incorrectly, etc.

>>9523 You're both right and wrong, paradoxically, I think. While the modern man and woman has undoubtedly degenerated more and more into a disgusting herd animal who can't handle anything that makes them feel uncomfortable, or that makes them feel afraid in any way. Simultaneously while this is true, of course, the society collectively becomes more barbaric and inhuman, it is just hidden away behind the curtain. Out of site, out of mind. These slaughterhouses, especially the kosher ones, are disgusting and need shuttered, along with vivisection, animal testing and other practices. The modern soy-addled person would simultaneously shudder and feel upset if he saw what happened in these slaughterhouses, but is also reliant on them for much of his diet and essentially does not care as long as he does not see the process and gets his meat in the supermarket - just another product, no contact with the source animal or process. Sacrifices use to be big public events for the community, where people would watch the sacrifice and then enjoy a meat meal. Even though the blood of the animal may have spilled and splattered the altar, the modern cuck faggot would much rather put up with the large-scale industrial slaughter and torture of animals

>>9524 indeed. >>9498 i'd like to propose... -astrological elements -monotheism existing with polytheism, without conflict -similar archetypes of gods like the lightning warrior gods zeus, thor, indra -reincarnation/afterlife -ancestor worship -marriage

>>9531 You're definitely right about monotheism and polytheism being able to exist harmoniously. I was originally surprised to learn that historically most monotheists were more in tune with this position than what we consider monotheism today, i.e. just God and no other gods. I'd really like to look more into Aryan ancestor worship. Usually when I think of ancestor-worship I of course think of places like Japan. In connection with what I was saying about Völkisch communitarianism versus Abrahamic atomization, ancestor worship is yet another way to root the people in the blood and soil. When one sees themselves as not merely a rootless individual but a link in a growing chain, the culmination of millions of ancestors, they undoubtedly would begin to think about their actions differently. The state of the future should inculcate this for sure.

>>9498 -spiritual salvation through violence

>>9608 Any examples? One thing that I can think of in regards to warfare in the ancient world was that it often - the further and further one goes back at least - much more ritualistic and aristocratic. The idea of a dharma-yuddha is also a good example (pic). >>9498 To add to my post here, the concept of guest-friendship and guest/host rituals

>>9616 Wow they had rules for this? I'm quite surprised that when the other says "violence" the pic related doesn't seem to convey it. Not that I'm against pic related.

>>9620 >Wow they had rules for this? There are obviously instances of pre-modern peoples exterminating each other and playing dirty, but when one really looks into it they’d be surprised at how ritualised and chivalric much of ancient warfare was. The book I’ve attached in my post talks about how important pitched battles were to the Aztecs, for example, and how warriors sought out equals on the battlefield to take captive and sacrifice. Surprisingly the book also mentions once instance of niggers having some limitations and mutual agreed standards in their fighting for one particular tribe (Nguni). In Homer too we can see a sort of aristocratic form of warfare with all of the instances of single combat between champions, and even with the kikes in thr David and Goliath story. You can thank firearms for ending this type of stuff.

>>9622 If that's even the case, I guess they really didn't want to exterminate each other in their hearts.

>>9616 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valhalla I cant believe nobody thought of at least this one. In bhagavad gita krishns tells arjuna that a war for dharma is like an open gate to heaven. Since if he was vistorious he inherits the spoils of war and if he dies he attains the heavens. In prabhupadas commentary he says kshatroyas who die in battle attain a life in the sun globe

As the thread linked in >>9643 goes over: >"progressivism" does not predate the Axial age and its theologies like Zoroastrianism.

Religious tolerance, yes or no?

>>9676 That's just one of those things that is beyond human control, people don't control religions, religions control the direction of politics and what we do with science.

>>9682 I guess I should reword it - of course our control over such things only can go so far (same with all laws), but would it be better to give free reign to most religions within the state or to actively discourage the promotion of certain kinds and to actively promote others? I definitely can see paganism (or pagan-like religion) being actively promoted by the state in the future, but that leaves me to wonder about other ones, especially Abrahamic ones, which have been destructive to our people. I actually see Christians being some of the biggest objectors to the future that we wish to build apart from leftists (Jews aside in all this, that's a given)

>>9676 as far as absolute religious tolerance, complete freedom of any religion, this would certainly not be allowed. a religion that worships black bvlls impregnating White women, or even vice versa, goes against natural laws that put the existence of our people in jeopardy. in india and under the umbrella of hinduism there is a great variety of religious freedom, but this has given birth to tolerance of sects like the aghori (homeless degnes who dead bodies and poop), or tolerating muslims when they have a history of attacking and destroying anything non-muslim. the state has to make decisions on religious sects/ideas/practices that are tolerable and in order to make proper decisions on these matters the state has to have a reference point to decide what does or does not belong which religous practices needs to be destroyed, and this then implies the creation of a state religion from which to make these sorts of decisions which of course will be based on natural law in concern of the existential matter of the White race.

>>9735 You've basically summed up my own thoughts regarding the matter as well. Unfortunately for established religions, the vast majority of them, nearly all of them, I think, contravene Natural Law in greater and lesser ways. For example, every Abrahamic religion will likely need to be rooted out and destroyed. Islam and Judaism are a foregone target, and Christianity will most likely have to go as well, unless through some miracle it could be un-cucked. I think this is impossible though, and "Positive Christianity" as a strategy has already failed. The only reason I don't just say "destroy it" outright is because it is much more entrenched. Destroying it can't be done as quickly as Judaism and Islam can be destroyed. Dharmic religions are for obvious reasons much more amenable to our designs, but even if they would be tolerated I do not know if I would make a specific one the center of any state religion. Regardless, one is needed.

https://twitter.com/HoDiadochus/status/1308912078858719232 Source from a user who specializes in Plotinus' writings. Anyway, a HUGE difference between Aryan theologies with other theologies and Abrahamist ones is that men weren't a "center" in cosmology. Whether it's an "atheistic" Buddhism with men but droplets in Maya (with a Buddha one who shattered the illusion), the Greeks where Zeus had men at his mercy with the current men preceded by extinct older men, men were not at all granted the importance they have in Abhramic theology. Which is no surprise since Judaism (the oldest) was tribal supremacist propaganda by the refuse of neighboring lands, Christianity a cult preaching a coming reckoning that was used to maintain a decaying empire, Islam a tool of Arabian armies to grow their numbers and rule over outsiders.

>>9779 If you're going to use twitter then use nitter instead https://nitter.net/HoDiadochus/status/1308912078858719232

>>9779 You're definitely correct that one of the biggest differences between Abrahamism and Paganism is that whether it is man-centered or not. Not only is the life-centered view more in accordance with our current understanding of reality, it is also the pagan view, and the healthier view, I think. To act as if the world exists only for our benefit, only to exploit and try to conquer, is probably no small part of the harmful way we treat the environment and world around us today. It is no surprise that in Mein Kampf Hitler called this view "Jewish". He might as well have called it Abrahamic. Judaism is actually based on the ultimate hubris, and the more we learn the clearer this becomes. Out of everybody in the entire vast universe with trillions of stars, planets, etc, Jews believe that they have been chosen by its creator. Imagine believing that. Also that reading guide for Plotinus looks interesting. I hope to read the Enneads at some point, but I'm still working through Plato personally.

Found this website that covers the divine hierarchy of hellenicism. https://hellenicfaith.com/divine-hierarchy/

What does Non-Abrahamic /fascist/ think of Gnosticism? People like Nimrod De Rosario, Miguel Serrano, generally fall into this category, and have made great ideological works. I personally see it as a means to bridge the Christian tradition to the Hermetic tradition (read, Atlantean tradition, the ones that seeded the Vedic, Aryan, and Hellenic religions)

>>10020 Gnosticism is interesting, especially with how it denigrates the god of the Jews in different ways, whether by making him unrelentingly righteous and merciless (Marcion’s view) or by making him more ignorant and less spiritual than the ultimate God (Valentinus’ view). These are obviously some dangerous thoughts for people to begin entertaining. I definitely see the links that one can make between Gnostic sects and the Vedic tradition, as well as with Platonism and other forms of pagan philisophical systems. I’ve seen some interesting and somewhat believable theories concerning Jesus written by Hindus that take this stuff into account and claim that he was actually more Gnostic or ascetic than Jesus is popularly depicted. Admittedly I am fairly ignorant about the Hermetic tradition, I don’t even know where one would begin with such things. Where I start to *not* like Gnosticism is when it turns thoroughly anti-life. Here is where my Nietzchean side starts to flare up.

Buddhist readings selected by King Ashoka https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/asoka.html

>>10022 That's where I remember the wise aphorism of "Not swallowing everything someone says wholesale". I think the 'anti-life' portion is the turning point to proper Hermetic-Atlantean theologica. These things feel right out of the bible, and anyone serious about the Religious needs to know every face of the Divine.

>>10134 Where does one really start with this Hermetic stuff? I'm utterly bluepilled on it.

>>10163 I started with the /fringe/ reading list, but since that isn't available, and I dug out a path of my own, I went something like this >basic understanding/preface that religion and spirituality is real >read Kyballion >Read The Arcane Teachings (The Arcane formulas suppliment these but I never went anywhere with them) >Read Myth of the 20th Century (part 1 should be enough to get a good idea) <at this point, a basic understanding should be had, and certain major points would connect back to certain points you learn in places like this (hyperborea, aryan, mysticism) >read "the emerald tablets of thoth" (not sure how dubious or credible these are, but to me they make a lot of sense) >read the corpus hermeticum

>Schopenhauer identifies Christianity, Brahmanism and Buddhism as "life-denying" >identifies Judaism, Islam and Greco-Romanism Paganism as "life-affirming" Could this explain why some people get confused about Islam receiving praise for some aspects here?

What do you niggers think about the Astral Projection? https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/wiki/index#wiki_introduction >>10341 >Schopenhauer identifies Judaism, Islam and Greco-Romanism Paganism as "life-affirming" I don't know if Greco-Romanism is life-affirming or not, but I do know that Judaism and Islam being called "life-affirming" is 100% bullshit, considering they also think life is suffering and that the only thing that matters is going to heaven.

>>10346 Basically he sees that Judaism has a type of optimism about human nature in it and a judgement of nature that is more affirmative of the will-to-live. For example, in Genesis 1:31 the Jews have Yahweh look over creation and declare "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good ", and presumably other sorts of more "worldly" ideas such as how the only afterlife in the Old Testament is Sheol compared to heaven or hell (Sadducees believed this, but Pharisees rejected this), or how Jews are chosen out of everything in existence to eventually rule over and dominate the goyim. Christianity, which emerged from an area of several competing Jewish sects, was far more life-denying, pessimistic, viewing humanity as inherently depraved or sinful, even adopting an instrument of torture as its symbol. While Judaism definitely has the roots of slave morality, it only reaches its height in the version expressly meant for the consumption of the goyim. For Islam, it can be called life-affirming to the extent that it doesn't have really any sort of ascetic or monastic traditions, no practicing of celibacy or anything. Having a family and marrying is encouraged, unlike in Christianity where Saul says that celibacy is better than marriage and that marriage is basically for those who can't handle celibacy. More like Judaism, Islam has more politically-oriented versions as well. They aren't content with just "faith". But in a way they're ultimately life-denying as well though, since like you say, the point is ultimately to get into heaven, which gives Earth only a relative value and places the center of gravity of life in some hereafter. Islam has aspects of slave morality as well, even if they are not as developed as in Christianity.

>>10346 I forgot to ask - do you have any experience with astral projection? Honestly I've always assumed it's a meme

>>10348 I haven't actually, I was just wondering if any of you heard of it and tried it before.

the vedic religion has a comprehensive theory and categorization of what reality is, what we are, and our relationship with it. it also has an answer for almost every aspect of life and all these answers tie together as part of a holistic unified system of philosophy. is there anything in european religions that can compare to this?

>>9498 Shame and honor-based culture. A culture of internalized guilt is an Abrahamic idea. It’s been pointed out that Homeric Greece was a shame culture, where the primary concern is enhancing your social prestige and not losing face for various reasons and to avoid indignation from others. This extends outside of the self onto the larger family group. It’s in cultures like these that we see honor-killings, and personal retaliations against being dishonored others. It’s also a morality of appearances, something which Mishima calls “the supreme male view of morality”. Being a cuck isn’t tolerated, you don’t bitch, whine or show weakness because of how you will look in the eyes of others and be treated, regardless of your true thoughts. Believe it or not this will become extremely noticeable when these sort of ideas become mainstream. Women won’t dress like sluts for long if they are berated and smacked for it, neither will soyboys be tolerated. Examples: >Homeric Greece (Indo-European) >Japan >Confucianism >Pashtunwali (Indo-European)

>>10460 I have friends who are fat. Does this mean I should kill them now? I also play vidya. Does that now mean I should just die because of that? I tend to get emotional because of how I hate this world. Should I just kill myself now?I am of the belief that every human has a point in existence (except for gays, trannies). Sluts should be shunned.

>>10462 Name one society on the face of this planet or among the ones that I have mentioned that kills people for being fat. Fatties, gamers and betas need bullied though

>>9209 Update on this - I just bought the book in which the evidence for this laid out, so we'll see how convincing it is and whether they had any religious justifications for this alleged practice. I'm curious to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzAQ7SklDxo Jew Rogan on theytube with goyim hebrewcock and some soyim talk about psychedelics in ancient western religions. (((associations))) aside, this is very relevant to stuff in this thread. >talks about an ancient greek holy city we arent taught about >psychedelic traditions of ancient european spirituality >psychedelic associations in early christianity, later stomped out by (((the church)))

Is this the thread where we talk about what needs to be added to the recipe for the next Supa Aryan White religion?

>>10690 I was wondering whether the OP of the thread on that topic would make a new thread on that. It's almost out of the catalog now since it got auto-bumplocked when it hit the old bumplimit. If the OP isn't going to make a new thread I think this would be the best place for it.

>>10692 im the OP of that thread, and i just havent been sure how to take the direction of remaking it. it didnt really go the way i hoped and i wasnt sure of the interest in it from people here. i think the best way to get it going would be to compile a list of primary texts from indo-euro religions and have a group of anons all read them, then we try to draw connections and similarities between them, form theories about them. this community is well read and opinionated but we havent all read the same stuff, we need to be coming from the same angle to get anywhere and the best way to do that is if we all come from the same background of having read the same material and there cant be a better material than primary indo-euro texts. we need to get a list of texts 1.) the eddas 2.) bhagavad gita, principle upanishads 3.)????? 4.)??? 5.)?????

>>10702 Man of the works in here are also well worth reading: >>9345

Reminder that Mark Brahmin is a faggot: https://twitter.com/TAJackson20/status/1317456318056132608 https://twitter.com/deletedagainp/status/1317447473531658241 https://twitter.com/ImperiumPress/status/1317450600536133633 https://twitter.com/monsteroftheid/status/1317455676214439936 https://twitter.com/elfvillage2/status/1317398235321913344 https://twitter.com/FrenReport/status/1317393147270471681 https://twitter.com/elfvillage2/status/1317392008357564417

>>10732 What is this guy even well-known for

>>10702 Saints with wings is nigger-tier projection, as if we couldn't conceive of superior forces without literally picturing them as flying above our heads.

>>10735 >Saints with wings What are you talking about?

>>10732 He's a marxist, who tried to claim that Hitler was a fan of Lenin, I think he's a shitskin from pooland, but h might also being a subversive kike just like all the other Nazbols or hell maybe he's both.

>>10749 Sounds like an utter retard. I don't know what it is with these ecelebs, they're literally all freaks

>>10754 Shit like this is one of the reasons why I stopped listening to e-celebs, because they never say anything knowledgeable and so many of them are either shit-skins, a kikes or both. Orbiting e-celebs will not accomplish anything.

>>10766 Yeah, they're mostly a waste of time in 99% of cases. The only ecelebs I really keep tabs on from time to time are Varg, Apollonian Germ and Cultured Thug, and I certainly don't orbit them.

>>10735 are you the anti-wings symbolism anon? whats your deal? arent a lot of depictions of odin with wings on his helment, and doesnt hermes have wings too? what a stupid fucking point to throw an autistic shit fit over.

>>10736 >>10773 Or angels as a matter of fact. Dunno who's that anon is but it's an opinion I share. Odin and Hermes have small ones and this includes very few representations, perhaps more numerous for the latter and almost nonexistent for the former. Are you offended? Yes you are.

>>9349 >>9355 Ossetians need to be independent from Russia.

>>10781 >Are you offended? Yes you are. Offended? I have no idea what you're talking about

>>10735 I think we should stop calling the likes of Brenton and Breivik and Ernst and the like "saints" and start calling them something more Aryan, as we should view the title Saint as an insult,because most saints, are the most pathetic creatures you can imagine, like Saint Theresa.

>>10790 I think it of as a positive recasting of the meaning of a saint. Christians hate the fact that we take their iconography and effectively canonize Aryan warriors. The saint of the past was a pathetic slave moralist, the saint of tomorrow is more akin to the hero cults of ancient Greece and Rome. I can't bring my reject the term saint for Tarrant due to how organic it was. People say him go into that mosque and fill those Mudslimes with lead and just naturally proclaimed "This man is a saint!"

>>10793 o understand what you are saying, but there is some serious consideration on the longterm impact of using the term saint. regardless of the opinoin of the user who uses the term, it can be dug up later as a pro-christian, pro-abrahamist and thus pro-jew sentiment.

>>10793 I understand how you view it that way but every example of a saint other than our co-opted use is that of pathetic martyrs and outright fictional creatures like the Saint whose name I bear, I hate the name because it means Christ-bearer but there is a certain irony in bearing that name and being so anti-christian that you think every dumbass who ever uttered the words "i am a christian" should be killed, in our minecraft server, Meinkraft, of course.

>>10802 Both my first name and middle name are kike names, it kinda sucks. Personally I don’t care enough to do anything about my own name, but I will definitely refrain from giving Semitic names to my future children, or having any of them circumcised, since that literally signifies that one is a Jewish slave

>>10803 I may hate my name but I won't change it, as if i chose I could go by my middle which is an ancient name of Roman origin or my last which has several possible origins all coming from the British Isles.

>>10766 Shit skin ecelebs? Lol, do they at least acknowledge the ethnic replacement? Like are they bad for their civnat fucking or it's just bec they're born as not White?

>>10790 >I think we should stop calling the likes of Brenton and Breivik and Ernst and the like "saints" and start calling them something more Aryan patsies

>>10842 Go back to Cuckchan.

>>10842 How about Paragon instead, you fucking coward.

>>10913 >emphasis on personal experience rather than dogma from an institution This isn't pagan at all, it reeks of New Age. He seems to be taking the idea that just because pagan societies seemed to have tolerated a wider range of practices and opinions on certain matters than what came later in Christian Europe, that it was a free-for-all all based on one's personal experience. From what I've read and understood, it wasn't really anything like Europe under the church, but it was certainly not all based on "personal experience'. There might have been a less stringent orthodoxy, but there was an expected orthopraxy that one was expected to adhere to. The role in the community was essential to pagans, and one was expected to adhere to certain duties and practices. It was a fundamentally religious society. I mean, they condemned Socrates to death for "corrupting the youth" via not practicing the Athenian religion properly, and for introducing new gods allegedly. It didn't matter what his "personal experience" was. Christians too were killed if they didn't sacrifice to the gods. And of course there was transmission of information from the older generations to the newer, and I bet if they started muddling with it due to "personal intuition" they'd be appalled at such activity. Along with that we of course had the idea of a Natural Order in many pagan religions. Such laws were immutable and universal in scope. Sad that so many retards spread information about paganism without knowing the first thing. I'm no expert myself either.

>>10917 i really want european paganism to be a viable alternative, but i keep coming up short handed wherever i look.

>>10850 >>10875 Typical one neuron replies. Ring me when your "heroes" start killing prime targets and also bother to avoid capture.

>>8730 Buddhism is the only large religion that is not anti-White at the moment. Interestingly Shingon Buddhism in Japan also honours Hercules. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingon_Buddhism Herodotus is a good place to start when learning the classics https://8chan.moe/voxxe/res/334.html#q994

>>10923 I don’t think we’ll ever really see something like Asatru come into massive prominence, especially as a basis of government, but what I think we’ll see is some sort of pro-White religion that will certainly have pagan elements, but won’t be classically pagan (nor will it be Abrahamic for that matter). >>10931 I like certain aspects of Buddhism. Evola had a good short article on it I read a while back. The site Access to Insight is pretty cool as well. https://www.jstor.org/stable/29753843

Are there any recommended books for Astaru or at least articless that are truthful.

>>10930 Ring me when people like you support them so that they actually can do that, but in my opinion targeting the people who run things won't help because as soon as even one dies they will all flee to their hidden hidey-holes wherever they may be, I've heard at least a thousand different locations, which ones are they or is it even one that's known? It's better to start this from the bottom up because the jews and their far more numerous christcuck allies themselves will never attack us physically they have the non-Whites for that.

>>10930 >Ring me when your "heroes" start killing prime targets and also bother to avoid capture. I look forward to your livestream. Show us how it's really done.

>>10793 Feds.

>>10965 https://norroena.org/ theres this place. found out about them through dave martels "the bog" youtube channel who i found out about from dharmanation guys channel they have a pretty epic promo video. i dont exactly know whats on their site i havent been able to trawl though it and find out, mostly because its lots of promises and not much delivery. judging by what ive seen of dave martels channel though these people would be anti-pozz.

>>10981 >old tired glowing taunt Hello CIA. Change the bulb.

>>10969 >Ring me when people like you support them >asking me to support the enemy >but in my opinion targeting the people who run things won't help This makes no sense. If you're going to target someone, then target people who have power. Besides, this type of operation would only bring a strategical value if Whites also had a militia. Isolated lone wolf ops will change nothing either. Lone wolves strike in enemy territory, whereas militias secure our own grounds for the most part. > as soon as even one dies they will all flee to their hidden hidey-holes wherever they may be Good news then. Things are actually very organic but people tend to forget this since we're still dealing with humans who fill a vacuum. The illusion cast by networks and medias makes it almost feel like it's all disconnected from biology and the practical reality of our everyday lives and its inherent physical interactions. But it is not. If rats flee, then the power is literally up for grabs. We certainly are not in Minecraft at all. If you push people beyond certain frontiers in the physical world, the net and positive effects are going to be very real. This is easily demonstrated for example when a given politician or activist is captured, isolated or prevents from going back home. Systems work because there are people, preferably competent, who maintain and operate inside the structure with access to the assets and easy-made communications. >It's better to start this from the bottom up The 'bottom up' does not involve the literally valueless civilians, no matter how irritating they are, against which bullets will be wasted and precious warrior lives likely uselessly endangered.

Let's talk about shooters in another thread. Absolutely sick of hearing about them honestly. >>9255 > That said, it's not really a religious question unless the greeks separated women because of their religion. Was this the case? Since I've finally gotten the book where this was spoken about, I'm able to provide a bit better of an insight now, though I have not read the entire thing yet. It was connected with the ideas of purity / impurity so common in Aryan religions, especially miasma / pollution. This dichotomy served naturally as a sort of divider between sacred and profane, and higher from lower. This dichotomy operated in the sexual sphere, a sphere associated with the profane, and women (for a host of reasons) were seen as less pure then men and prone to bringing shame on a man and his virility. The woman was the weak-link in the family chain of honor since she is naturally less rational, less self-controlled and more self-aware than men. Male control over women was thus important for societal structure and the family's honor. Women were seen as more impure due to the fact that they menstruate, and due to the fact that they are inherently far more sexual then men. The book talks about the erotic power of the female gaze. There's some talk about why female hair in particular is seen as needed to be covered in some societies. There's this one quote from an author speaking on purity in Hinduism and Buddhism: >Impurity is not invented by the subtle minds of anthropologists but is a matter of fundamental importance in ordinary everyday life; everyone knows that impurity attaches indiscriminately both to the genital region and to the head. The most typically impure things are faeces, urine, semen, menstrual blood, spittle and hair. There's some talk of a strange head-genital connection that some cultures apparently make, but I have not read this enough to talk about it really. There's also some funny talk about how the Greeks valued women being silent, and how Aristotle complained about women's voices being annoying apparently

>>9255 >Whites aren't superior because all races are talented in certain ways, we just don't belong in the same lands I believed in this too. Then I came to this board and it changed my thinking. I would say that Whites aren't "perfect" but compared to other races, it's the best one. But that's already settled for years now? The question is "now what"?

>>11087 Whites are certainly not perfect, but we are most perfectible. While the other races lived more or less in stagnation (with some variation, of course), Whites are the dynamic element, willing to improve themselves, innovate and create better more organized groups. This is a dangerous game though. We can stray from the path and easily destroy ourselves if we misstep too greatly, but it could also lead us to greater heights than ever before. This is basically what William Pierce was talking about. The Faustian man. Now we just have to destroy the Levantine man. https://counter-currents.com/2013/06/the-faustian-spirit/

>>11088 >Whites are certainly not perfect, but we are most perfectible for me this is why understanding religion is so important. the true purpose of religion is to elevate mankind, to give him a roadmap to follow. to give the common man instructions that take more than 1 lifetime to understand and to provide a purpose that is greater than our current understanding, these are the things that we need to perfect ourselves and evolve. without them we are simply groping in the dark tripping over holes in the ground we cant see until humanity all at once wanders into a cave it may never find its way out of.

>>11088 hh'd The race with the greatest potential is capable of the highest fall.

OC >>11093 >>11120 You guys get it.

>>11160 >the age of the gods will return we need to use what we know of ancient pagan traditions not to recreate it but to make contact with the gods, then a true recreation will take place.

>>11196 Making contact with the gods will be very difficult, but worthwhile if successful. As has been demonstrated in previous threads, gods do not just appear before anybody and in any place, especially in our current degenerate age. In order to even get the chance at seeing a theophany, one would have to be extraordinarily pure. If we look at what the Greeks saw as a prerequisite for purity, we will see that it often included ritual washings, abstention from sex, masturbation and similar practices, and sometimes temporary dietary prohibitions. This seems pretty regular across cultures. Basically you can't be indulging in degeneracy and sense-gratification and expect a god to manifest before you in some form. The Bhagavad Gita also advises that yogis should seek seclusion and refrain from having a sex-life.

>>11203 >If we look at what the Greeks saw as a prerequisite for purity, we will see that it often included ritual washings, abstention from sex, masturbation and similar practices, and sometimes temporary dietary prohibitions. >masturbation and similar practices >similar practices what did you mean by this?

>>11207 I meant basically anything sexual.

>>11218 are you saying masturbation is a way to contact the gods?

>>11224 Top kek, I see how you reached that interpretation, but no – NoFap is. Read it as [abstention from sex, masturbation and similar practices], not [abstention from sex], masturbation and similar practices — with the bracketed portions referring to a single unit

What do we think about monks? I have some double-think regarding them. I somewhat agree with the view that locking up thousands of intelligent men in monasteries never to reproduce could be bad for the race, but I also admire monks and asceticism in many respects. Mount Athos, for example, seems so quiet, simple and comfy. I've read that in some Asian countries though, traditionally young men would spend some time in monasteries for a period of their life, most moving on. I think something like that could do society well.

>>11593 monks/priests form the core of a religious community, and serve a valuable purpose in perpetuating tradition. there's also the concept that religious life/holy orders is supposed to be a major commitment, and having a family alongside that would lead to 'divided loyalties' so to speak. at the same time, this produces a dysgenic effect. perhaps some compromise could be figured out.

Here is an interesting cap from smug's /tg/ about Roman religion and magic. It's written with RPGs in mind but still has a lot of information anons ITT may find interesting. Of note is the bit about Genius, the divinity inside all men.

>>11203 Making contact with the old gods is dead simple, as long as you know where to look.

>>11735 that looks like some aleister crowley satanic jew magic shit i aint touching any of that.

>>11800 That's the point, you ignoramus. The filthy kikes quite literally demonized our old gods and installed bad actors like Mr. Crowley so the normalfags would call this sort of thing "aleister crowley satanic jew magic shit". If christianity truly is as odious as everyone in this thread makes it out to be, why would you take its word regarding anything it calls "evil"? Wouldn't you be inclined to believe the opposite?

>>11803 Crowley dabbled in Kabbalah and Gematria – if those aren’t red flags, I don’t know what is. What type of doctrine is "Do what thou wilt" shall be the whole of the Law? And look at this “Lam” shit. If something like that appeared to me it’d be highly obvious that it was a demon / asura of some kind, or maybe a Grey. The only aliens I’d even think of trusting would be the Nordics.

>>11803 I can confirm, when Christianity became dominant, they recast pagan gods as demons.

>>11823 >>11803 >christianity demonized it Fair point, but i dont and never have felt averse towards the names, images, and symbols of the nordic gods, the hellenic gods. The vedic gods are strange, even alien seeming, but not in a creepy way. Im going to trust my instincts here.

How would you define purity and impurity? What effect does impurity have? What effect does purity have? How can you recognize something that is pure and something that is impure?

The purer something is the closer one is in accordance with the Natural Law or divine in general it seems. Dislocations from this, minor or major, produce a sort of ritual / spiritual pollution called miasma (which is obviously accompanied by material pollution and filth as well) which limited the access to the gods or sacred in general. We can find various statements in Greek writings about the importance of cleanliness and purity in approaching the gods: Hesiod's Works and Days: >Never pour a libation of sparkling wine to Zeus after dawn with unwashed hands, nor to others of the deathless gods; otherwise they do not hear your prayers but spit them back http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hes.+WD+720 The Iliad: >with hands unwashen I have awe to pour libation of flaming wine to Zeus; nor may it in any wise be that a man should make prayer to the son of Cronos, lord of the dark clouds, all befouled with blood and filth. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hom.+Il.+6.266 All sorts of things cause miasma and need to be ritually washed away. Some are seen as more damaging than others. Human blood, death, child birth, sexual intercourse, urine, excrement, sickness, dirt, are all impure. Other things like murder produce miasma as well. And if things are not made right, the wrath of the gods will be upon them, and the effects of misdeeds will not just effect the doer, but it will harm the entire community: > Often even a whole city suffers for a bad man who sins and devises presumptuous deeds, and the son of Cronos lays great trouble upon the people, famine and plague together, so that the men perish away, and their women do not bear children, and their houses become few, through the contriving of Olympian Zeus. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0132%3Acard%3D238 We can see similar ideas of impurity in the Kalasha's pagan traditions, as was seen in the second picture here: >>9362 Very interestingly, Shinto has a very similar perspective on the importance of purity. To quot from Sokyo Ono's book: >Purification is for the purpose of removing all pollution, unrighteousness, and evil which may hinder life according to the kami-way and the efficacy of worship. Purification may be performed by worshippers or by priests. kami-way is a translation of Shinto or "the way of the gods", and impurity results from a rupture of natural harmony / the Natural Order, not too different at all from what was said of the Greeks above.

>>12471 Meant for >>12466

>>12471 do you think the idea of purity and impurity eventually leads one to the conclusion that materiality, especially biological material, is irredeemably impure and that only the immaterial spirit of man can be pure but the biological body is always impure. wont this lead a religion into an anti-material mindset where the focus is not on redeeming this world but leaving it, similar to how the vedic civilization went?

>>12477 I wouldn’t say that it is an inevitable development. Ritual purificiation is an aspect of Islam (wudu / ghusl), where they perform it before prayer, often before touching the Qur’an and probably for other things as well, and Islam is hardly an otherworldly tradition that views matter as evil or something to be rejected in any way. The same is true with Shinto. The world of the gods does not transcend that of man, and man doesn’t seek any salvation from this world. There’s only really any form of asceticism in syncretistic forms like Shugendo which are influenced by Buddhism (not that asceticism is bad per se)

Reposting this work, it looks like the old thread left the catalog.

>>12506 i aint gonna read no fuckn book just because you posted it, tell us whats in it

>>12524 >not spending two seconds to either look at the table of contents or google the book for a description Based retard

>>12528 thanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJ9n-h12ls

Looking at the idea of the Fall in Christianity makes so much more sense when you realize that it is merely a distorted version of the transition from the Dvapara Yuga to the Kali Yuga. It is like they for some reason rejected the concept of cycles, and left themselves with the idea of one vectorial progression from point A to point B. The Fall is real, and we are indeed in a state of cosmic alienation and increasing degeneracy. Vedic literature gives us a glimpse into the pre-Fall world Anymore examples of this type of degeneration of Vedic wisdom?

I think these two are undervalued: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

>>12773 They are literally two of the main religions that were used as the pagan basis of Christianity and much of the rites that are followed by the Roman Catholic Church, some literally at odds with the bible itself. Mithraism was a solar and warrior religion, but then Roman legions were really being racially pozzed.

>>12889 >>12773 With Mithraism the Kikepedia page is so vague that after reading it I still couldn't tell you what exactly they believed.

>>11646 >>11593 What is impressive about them? They fail to balance their life out and they are all anti-life. All of them.

>>12899 Asceticism is simply more admirable than rampant self-indulgence and degeneracy, as it takes a greater deal of dedication and self-discipline than the opposite. Where asceticism / monasticism becomes too weird to me is when it actively harms the person doing it, like the weird stuff you'd hear about from some Christcucks like self-flagellation and sleeping on beds of nails. The one thing that I do think is harmful is the idea of not reproducing. I can only imagine the effect of generation after generation of the brightest in a nation becoming monks and not reproducing.

>>12905 > I can only imagine the effect of generation after generation of the brightest in a nation becoming monks and not reproducing. i agree, yet it seems to be a common theme amongst very intelligent and religious people.

A few miscellaneous articles on elves and magic among pagans. Some of it has been mixed in with Christian beliefs, obviously, but we can still get a glimpse into the mindset of the popular semi-pagan religion of the people through reading these things. Elves are quite mischievous, watch out, anons: >Magical Practices against Elves https://www.jstor.org/stable/1256144 >Getting Shot of Elves: Healing, Witchcraft and Fairies in the Scottish Witchcraft Trials https://www.jstor.org/stable/30035236 >CALLING THE SHOTS: THE OLD ENGLISH REMEDY "GIF HORS OFSCOTEN SIE" AND ANGLO-SAXON 'ELF-SHOT' https://www.jstor.org/stable/43344130 >Some more mentions of Elfshots and other Elf-produced phenomena https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/elf Does anyone have any info on how witches were treated in the pagan world, if something like that existed? Even today in Africa, niggers don't play around with witches, they'll kill them, and for good reason: https://archive.fo/IpQsb

Norse Pagans Guide to Simple Practice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuFWhuK-DnM&list=PLcwgW8yY_uUeMEKfmeY0k53g8GvYXGxpA

>>13578 What was characterized as a witch?

>>13630 Witchcraft and sorcery is usually any sort of harmful magical activity against others, whether through poisoning, casting evil eye on them, or cursing them or whatever. It’s a false idea spread by Wicca whores that witchcraft is just demonized pagan beliefs by Abrahamists, because even pagans had laws against witchcraft and executed people suspected of it. Wiccans would be killed under a pagan state The Twelve Tables of Rome had a law against evil incantations and charming away mens’ crops. Tiberius was recorded as executing large numbers lf sorcerers in his reign as well >We are told that one hundred and thirty sorcerers (venenarii and malefici) were executed under Tiberius, and that eighty-five of these were women (Chronicle of the Year 354 A.D. at MGH 9 p. 145) http://library.lol/main/3397A6C3906F111F27A16DED37E73B4E Theoris of Lemnos was a Greek witch who was executed by the Athenian state in the 4th century BC. Along with Jews, witches in medieval Europe were associated with all of the above, and typically with child-cannibalism and other types of human sacrifice.

Magic is real and jews are good at it.

>>13623 Nice, this dude did an interview with Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya. I've only watched the introduction so far but he seems pretty authentic with what you're supposed to have on your altar. Very similar to Hindus. I'm interested to know how he sees the gods.

>>13674 thats how i found him. he sees them as real beings.

>>13674 >Very similar to Hindus. As in Indians in general?

>>13688 I was mainly referring to Vaishnava practices that I'm vaguely familiar with. >>13686 Good to hear that he is legit. I am okay with the idea that individual gods are manifestations of some higher force and similar views, but when people try to reduce it all to stuff like "it's just metaphors breh" or "it's archetypes!" I lose interest pretty quick.

>Veiled Ladies A 1931 article from the American Journal of Archeology discussing the practice of veiling in ancient Greece (and Rome to an extent perhaps) >Aphrodite's Tortoise A book-length discussion of this topic that I have mentioned earlier in this thread with far more evidence, discussion and insight into the cultural and religious reasons for the veiling of women in ancient Greece http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=67DD2F78C2778A4360062039589AE80E So is it cucked to let men your wife or what?

>>13710 >So is it cucked to let men your wife or what? *let men see

>>13711 >>13710 Of course it is cucked. The entirety of modern Western civilization is founded essentially on cuckoldry. Even segregated toilets are evil now in the eyes of some. Your daughter will have to be in a stall next to some giant lustful nigger soon in the name of progress

>>13712 This is the dumbest shit I've read today and you have no words of truth just mental retardation coming from your nigger mutt brain. >>13711 >>13710 No it's not, the Greeks had shitty logic that if another man saw her then he was going to steal her from him, but that's ultimately the Greek's fault for being degenerates themselves.

>>13713 >Greeks had shitty logic that if another man saw her then he was going to steal her from him t. retard making things up with no evidence That's never what veils have been about.

>>13711 If your wife is interested in other men, obviously yes. But if she's just friends with a couple of them, and you're good friends with them too, then not really.

>>13732 If you leave her alone with another adult man then yes it's a problem. As if she would tell you she was interested in another man, or that it's not simply a matter of opportunity.

>>13756 >If you leave her alone with another adult man then yes it's a problem Yeah, this is the real problem. In general though adult women should not have “male friends” once they are married, at least outside of the sense of “my friend and her husband like to meet up and talk with my husband and me”

>>13714 t.faggot who cries muh evidence but brings none as a counterargument The Greeks used the veil, because they believed that a male's gaze on his wife's beauty was cuckoldry, due to the fear of him stealing his woman. The reason why the veil exist is because due to the fear of being cheated and to keep women in check. https://lysistrata.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2017/05/01/the-power-behind-the-veil-symbolism-from-ancient-greece-to-muslim-societies-in-france-and-germany/ https://www.academia.edu/275701/THE_MEANING_OF_THE_VEIL_IN_ANCIENT_GREEK_CULTURE

>>13792 >The Greeks used the veil, because they believed that a male's gaze on his wife's beauty was cuckoldry, due to the fear of him stealing his woman. The reason why the veil exist is because due to the fear of being cheated and to keep women in check. Lol if you think that this is the main reason. Women and their sexuality in general were seen as far more impure and polluting with miasma than males, not to mention the fact that if your daughter or wife was a whore that it would bring shame on the family and endanger societal harmony. Plus, the Greeks were much stronger on the concept of men and women having separate spheres, males for the public, women for the private. The veil was seen in many ways like an extension of the privacy of the walls of the home. No veil means having no aidos, which was a key virtue in Antiquity. Your idea that it's only men not wanting to see their wives or daughters is silly, not even Mudslimes say it's that simple. I'm sure you googled that shit ad hoc too

>>9524 I think the general masses are becoming ever more meek while the powerful few are becoming ever more barbaric. That explains why things like slaughterhouses exist alongside "Refugees welcome" movements.

>>9676 Depends entirely on the religions. Germanic pagans tolerating Greek pagans is totally fine in my book. It's completely nonsensical to argue or even go to war over minute differences of interpretations of the natural and metaphysical world. However, religions that completely run contrary to the natural world order, like Judaism or Satanism, must be stomped out with force. These forces are inherently subversive and will ruin any society in which they are allowed to foster. Even some crypto-religions like progressivism fall under this category. But other crypto-religions like esoteric national-socialism don't, because they're still in accordance with the natural order.

>>13810 >I think the general masses are becoming ever more meek while the powerful few are becoming ever more barbaric. Yes, exactly. The Great Reset will prove this even more. >>13811 >Germanic pagans tolerating Greek pagans is totally fine in my book. It's completely nonsensical to argue or even go to war over minute differences of interpretations of the natural and metaphysical world. And we of course never saw Germanic and Greek pagans massacring each other if they had minute differences in their understanding of something. This is almost completely alien to non-Abrahamic religions. Now if you commit an act of sacrilege they would probably kill you, but that's quite different from debating something philosophically and seeing how that influences one's interpretation of their pagan beliefs. Meanwhile in Europe we see people killing each other for centuries over whether Jesus was a co-equal part of a trinity, or whether Jesus was some sort of lesser divinity begotten by the Father (Arianism), or even more retarded hair-splitting differences such as whether Jesus had one divine nature (Monophysitism) or a divine and a human nature (Nestorianism). It's just retarded kike pilpul wholly alien to the Aryan spirit of Antiquity. I think you're right that adherence to the Natural Order is a good litmus test.

>>13816 But sooner or later, even non-Abrahamic religions will have to compete against each other. As in Buddhism and Hinduism vs whatever religion Whites create.

>>13827 They compete to an extent, but there are few examples that I'm aware of violent conflict or explicitly religious wars between non-Abrahamics. Basically, one does not have to go out and exterminate wrongthink from the minds of "heathens" or "heretics". The example of the situation in India is a good example. Jainism, Buddhism and Hinduism in all of its varieties have more or less coexisted for millennia. i say more or less, because there are obvious cases where certain sects have been expelled from locations for various reasons, or some people were killed for insulting a god or religious figure. For example Ashoka is said to have killed 20,000 Ajivikas for insulting the Buddha at one point. Only with the coming of Islam did the tensions escalate into regular violent conflict, destruction of temples and exterminations. And also in the Roman Empire of course, there was a good deal of religious tolerance so long as the subjects of various ethnicities showed deference to the emperor and acknowledged some of their gods (not to mention they interpreted other religions to believe in at least some of their own gods). The great conflicts, of course, came with contact with Judaism and Abrahamism, which cannot be reconciled with, and refuse to reconcile even. Now the real question is what model will any future White religion take. We should certainly not be as autistic as Abrahamists regarding minutiae, but on the other hand, certain thing should not be tolerated and should be rooted out of society. Abrahamists of course, but even some varieties of non-Abrahamists.

>>13832 >Now the real question is what model will any future White religion take. i like the pan indo-euro approach by hitlerism.

Ynglism This is a form of Slavic Neo-Paganism. >Ancient Russian Yngling Church of Orthodox Old Believers-Ynglings was founded in Omsk, Western Siberia. This movement was variously classified as a branch of Rodnoveriye,but often not recognised as such by mainstream Rodnover groups >The members of the movement call themselves Pravoslavs(Orthodox Christian in Russian), but maintain that the word is older than Christianity and originally referred to Russian who honored (slavit‘) the truth (Pravda). >Ynglings themselves assert that their church has existed since time immemorial and was the first religion of the “White race”and the “wise holy ancestors” of the Russian peoples. Ynglings teach that ”Yngly” (Ynglia) is the primordial fiery force from which the universe is arisen. It is accurate to speak of Ynglings as a “new” religion or modern pagan religion, even though the content of the religion is derived from very old sources. https://knepublishing.com/index.php/Kne-Social/article/view/2485 (PDF attached) From Kikepedia: >According to Ynglism, "Yngly" [...] is the structural order of the universe and of all phenomena, characterised as a fiery radiance emanated by the supreme God, called "Ramha" (Рамха, also spelled "Ramkha") in the Ynglist usage. Ramha is absolute, unknowable, unfathomable, and yet manifest in the gods generating of all phenomena in accordance with the supreme order, Yngly. This last is personified as the intelligence of God, keeper of the source of the fire of the universe, and is the model of the earliest progenitor of humanity (Rod). Yngly is represented by the swastika symbol, which Ynglists call the "image of Yngly", the first written symbol of humanity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ynglism Also here's an article about Christcucks crying over Ynglism and other pagan religions in Russia: https://web.archive.org/web/20170707165114/http://intersectionproject.eu/article/society/church-against-neo-paganism

>>13864 This will certainly be an important aspect of any future White religion or movement. I can't wait until something begins to get off the ground IRL and is hammered out into something good.

>>13865 this sounds promising. is there anything about it that makes it exclusive to slavs? can any old cracker join? how mixed race can you be?

>>13945 It's hard to give a lot of good information on it. That book above on Rodnovery >>12506 mentions them very briefly in passing but doesn't give any real substantial information. Almost all of the sources on Wikipedia are in Russian so it's hard to read it oneself (though I suppose I could just google translate it). The PDF I linked gives a bit more info on what they believe: >Ynglings characterize the territory of Omsk oblast as the cradle of the ancient super-civilization Arctida, where the salvation of all of humanity begins. The global and even cosmic aspect of this myth is perceived as having been in operation here for hundreds of millennia, and on a cosmic scale. There is the notion that in ancient times a scientific-spiritual Aryan center called Asgard the Great existed in the area of Omsk, while around 100,000 years ago at the Okunevo site (in Omsk oblast) there was an Aryan palace (vimanu) in the form of a temple, at the top of which a crystal was installed, “intended to be used for holography,” through which the Aryans “recorded their consciousness.” The temple was destroyed as the result of a certain catastrophe (a flood) [9], and the proto-Aryans abandoned this place, which led to the degradation of culture and religion.The Ynglings think that the intermixing of the proto-Aryans with the Aryans in India led to the distortion of the original teachings,which only the Ynglings preserved in their pure form. It's clearly very linked with Russia and Slavs but they have a wider view of Aryans it appears than just that. There's some stuff in the PDF about the dangers of mixed marriages and stuff too. Though they are onto some things, I think, I wouldn't say that it is really anything that we ourselves can learn from. There's also another movement called "Svarozhichi" in that document, I will have to read that section.

Svarozhichi >The pantheon of Svarozhichi is not unified (veneration of Vles, Perun, Dajbog or Khors), but a special attention is paid to Svaroh (the god Svaroh contains elements of sky and solar deities known from other Indo-European-speaking peoples). Svarozhichi think that the Cyrillic alphabet, in particular the liturgical, ancient Slavonic, is endowed with a transcendent reality. Svarozhichi‘s views are based on the idea of a trinity, whereby Iav(the visible world), Nav (the world of beyond), and Prav (the world of laws) represent different levels of reality. Eschatological patterns are predominant in their discourse, they think that mankind is on the road to ruin because it denies religious values for material benefit >varozhichi are also highly interested in understanding Pagan traditions of the past, but they don‘t fill bound, as do Aleksander Khinevich, to the past religious traditions of a specific region as their ultimate frame of reference [11];instead, they see the tradition only as gateway into deeper spiritual experience. At this suggests, Svarozhichi don‘t dedicate themselves to an intensive study or reconstruction of the past of Pagan tradition of a particular region. The community exists as a secret order and many of members of community prefer not to advertise their affiliations with native belief >Svarozhichi appropriate ancient Russian cult traditions of the earth mother by claiming that the Slavs, children of the forest, will be the first to rediscover harmony with nature. They wear special clothes (Slavic tunics and head-bands) for religious feasts,replace foreign words with Slavic equivalents (svetopisi instead of fotografii, izvedyinstead of interv’iu)

>>13639 >Witchcraft and sorcery I heard this shit a lot nowadays from Twatter, because there is supposedly a bunch of retards there who are larping as lesbian witches. >magical activity against others, whether through poisoning, casting evil eye on them, or cursing them or whatever I've been curious about magic for a while now and been wondering if it was ever a legit thing or just a bunch of schizos. Do you think we should have our occult or magic societies as well?

>>14000 >I heard this shit a lot nowadays from Twatter I feel sorry for you. >there is supposedly a bunch of retards there who are larping as lesbian witches. Wouldn't surprise me. Wicca is 100% pozz and bogus. Indeed, it has links with Masonic and Crowlyean ideas. Gerald Gardner used his fake kiked "religion" to get girls to dance naked in the woods and have sex with him, and to this day it's filled with sex deviants and White middle-class roasties. I unfortunately am unable to really give you any good information about magic. Some aspects of the occult are worth looking into, such as the type of stuff Savitri Devi looked into with the connections between National Socialism and traditional pagan worldviews. Allegedly Hitler was interested in World Ice Theory and the idea that our civilization may have been much older than scientists think (if you believe Table Talk is legit, as I tend to).

>>14000 Magic as in magic tricks? I mean I'd like a cool magic trick.

>>14003 I've been a /fringe/ regular for a long time, even when the community was on its own freedomboard site, and I'd say this is the best introductory list to magic that there is. Most of the texts out there are total crap which are nothing but dogma and no practice. In terms of Esoteric Hitlerism, you can read Serrano's works like the Avatar of Hitler, or Magic: History, Theory, Practice, which Hitler had a personal copy off with certain portions highlighted on the margins.

>>14063 I really wish I was able to get a physical copy of Serrano's The Ultimate Avatar. Over five-hundred pages is a lot for me to read on a computer screen. Through secondary sources I've learned a bit about the gist of Serrano's thought, but from what I've seen from the PDF it is a much more advanced work than Savitri Devi's stuff (don't read this in a negative sense, I love Savitri Devi).

>>14099 Nope Blatant Ci bullshittery trying toi link us back to MUH lost tribes of israel.

>>14116 sorry, i couldnt resist. the setup of the video made it too good of a trolling opportunity.

>>14099 >pics of Skyrim's Dragonborn >traces the lineage back to kings of ethiopia and Israelites REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8731 I can't believe that this second list does not include the Havamal, which are obviously sayings attributed to Odin himself. It is also from here that famous sayings such as the following come: 75. Cattle die and kinsmen die, thyself too soon must die, but one thing never, I ween, will die, -- fair fame of one who has earned. 83. The speech of a maiden should no man trust nor the words which a woman says; for their hearts were shaped on a whirling wheel and falsehood fixed in their breasts.

https://anoncafe.co/fascist/res/708.html please tell me someone archived this thread, i didnt finish reading it

>>14588 https://archive.fo/LweaV

>>14591 thank you very much, friend

>>14595 I don't know if you looked on the archives or not, but in case you did under that particular link, basically nothing is archived for 'anoncafe.co' but there are plenty of things under 'anon.cafe'

>>13623 >Unity between Christians and pagans I just saw this on his second video on prayer, and how he liked it. Is such a thing even possible? I feel like it is the Christians who are the ones derailing any possible unity, and who divert national / racial issues into Jew worship. A nice sentiment perhaps, but not a realistic one.

>>14613 Even if Kikestians reach out one hand in unity they will subvert us with the other behind their back. Don't be fooled christianity is a universalist religion that they will always prioritize over their race.

>>14621 Exactly what I was thinking. The reasons I doubt the possibility of unity are several: (1) the inherently universal nature of Christianity, (2) the slave morality, and (3) the inherently Jewish nature of the religion. As I see it, one cannot be authentically Christian and a nationalist, or antisemitic in the biological sense of the term. So by all means I wish for them to become less Christian, because it will likely mean that they became more authentically Völkisch. The good thing is that many Christians do not follow this doormat attitude to the letter, as they would be walked all over by everyone on the planet even more than they are now. They pay lip-service to it though, and they are mentally enslaved by those who use it to browbeat them (leftists, Jews, etc), so they are inherently weak.

>>14621 >>14624 I think It is entirely possible to get pagans and Christians to stop fighting. Both need to recognize that race is much more important than religion. I think you could probably "Aryanize" Christianity, this is entirely possible, at least from perspective because Hitler admired Christnot Christianity and believed he was Aryan. If Hitler thought Christ was good, then It should certainly be possible to Aryanize it. What do you anons think? How does one go about Aryanizing something?

>>14661 Pagans already realize race is more important than religion. It's an ethno religion. And Pagans don't really fight with Christians, they are few in number and just argue online. If Christians want to Aryanize Christianity they will have to do it themselves. Of course we all know they won't do shit, nigger.

>>14661 The real question is whether we can Aryanize Jesus’ message at all. How can a universal religion be turned particular? Or, even if we cannot totally excise some degree of universality, how can we not make them so doormat-tier? Jesus’ teachings truly aren’t bad that within an pro-White community, but when they become universal and across the bored is when they become harmful. Jews “love their neighbor” but neighbor doesn’t mean “goy” to them, it means Jew. The best possible route, if we were to attempt to preserve for them even the flimsiest core, would actually be to Hinduize it. Some people have already pointed out elsewhere that Jesus was teaching aspects of Sanatana Dharma, and it is somewhat convincing to me. What can strengthen this argument even more is that Jesus was teaching in parables, and there are several verses that say that Jesus later explained the full meanings of things to his disciples. That opens the gate to “twisting” (repairing?) his teachings for the obstinate Christians and making them think a bit more. It would probably render it more gnostic as well too. If this worked, you could start to slip in shit about castes as well. This would still leave me scratching my head how to deal with some aspects though (“Son of God”, resurrection, etc). This is all very hopeful shit though. I actually chat with a Christcuck IRL who I’ve been slowly guiding into National Socialism for a few months. I don’t attack his Christianity *that* much since I’m preceding slow and treading carefully but I’ve been introducing him to more pagan ideas. If I ever make any significant progress I’ll definitely post about it.

Speaking of Jesus, there is going to be a livestream on the "Vedic Jesus" tonight. Might be interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Ikvqz4nro&ab_channel=DharmaNation

>>14664 The only way you can aryanize christianity is if you rewrite the bible and remove ideas such as being spiritually equal and humanity being above nature as one of their main doctrines and beliefs that comes from the bible. This would probably end up creating a pagan Christianity where a synthesis is tied, but the religion is still aryan just not in origin.

>>15737 I’m honestly starting to think it is impossible to fix. Those are certainly some good partial remedies you point out, but to even begin fixing it I can’t even imagine how much of the Bible that one would have to rewrite. It would almost have to be a completely different book. It’s interesting in light of all of this that just today I was doing some reading on the pre-1945 Japanese and Shintō, and how they spoke of how though Japanese adopted many religions and currents of thought throughout history, they always bent them to their traditions and removed all harmful doctrines from them in the process of Japanization. Shintō and Confucianism are two good examples. This said, it’s interesting to point out that some Japanese intellectuals came right out and said that this isn’t even possible with Christianity, it “would mean the complete destruction of the fundamental nature of Chrisianity”. Even with something like Hinduism I have started to think that though it has many good aspects compared to cucked universalist Abrahamic religions, the problem is the idea of the fundamental equality of the soul / atman. It doesn’t take much for one to try to overturn the entire system based on this claim of spiritual equality. It happened with Christianity of course. Now, maybe it’s true—I don’t think it is at the moment in the slightest, and unfortunately the only way to find out would be to spend years meditating and doing yoga, which is apparently the key to gaining insight into one’s self as atman.

>>15743 there's no way to fix or Aryanize Christianity. it's a Semitic religion to its core, and its roots are Hebrew. ultimately, a White ethno-state should embrace a revived paganism, with Dharmic religions as alternatives (Hinduism, Buddhism, etc). Christianity does have its positives, however. while it has Hebrew roots, it draws from the older, less degenerate Jewish tradition. we can clearly see in the Gospels that Judaism had already degenerated by the 1st century AD, and the antics of the Pharisees are all too recognizable. Christianity was a repudiation of Pharisaism, and diverged down its own path, away from the Talmud and modern Judaism. this is commendable of course, as is its long-term symbiosis with the West, and the Catholic preservation of pagan traditions. ultimately, Christianity is Abrahamic, and in spite of its symbiosis, it retains basic incompatibilities with Whites. but in terms of Abrahamism, it's a low priority. Islam is currently infected with a viral strain of fundamentalism, and Muslims are being used by globohomo as shock troops for demographic replacement. as for the problems in Judaism, there's no need to elaborate. in addition, Christianity is under attack by Marxist pawns, who perceive it as Western and colonialist. thus, we need to focus on rejecting other forms of Abrahamism first. once all that is dealt with, then we can deal with Christianity, but because it's so embedded, we'll likely need a compromise. perhaps purge deviant sects like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. as well as the most pozzed Protestants. Catholicism should be retained due to its preservation of tradition (as I mentioned above), perhaps other denominations may be permitted as well. tl;dr: Christianity is indelibly Semitic and Abrahamic, but it's also the least of our Abrahamic troubles. ultimately, we'll need to form a reasonable compromise, while emphasizing Paganism and Dharmic religion as based, non-Abrahamic spiritual paths.

>>15862 I might disagree with the idea that Christianity is "low priority". The true danger of Christianity is that it looks so unassuming and normal in the modern West. The fact of it being embedded is precisely the problem. Even among non-Christians, and even among those who openly reject Christianity, they are more often than not operating on what is ultimately a Christian foundation (at least in the fundamental sense). It is exactly these Christian assumptions and sensibilities which are underming and denaturing the European people. Cooperation with Christians is permissable only so long as their more cucked beliefs do not get in our way. To an extent some degree of cooperation will have to happen, not out of necessity, obviously, but because of the sheer numbers of these people in our countries. Though, we will not be held back by them. "Get out of the way or get ran over" is my motto in regards to this matter. The one upside though is that many Christians do not seem to closely follow anything the Bible says. A few months ago I told a Christian I know IRL that what Jesus taught was "doormat morality" and the only thing they could do is kinda smile and chuckle. I know for a fact that this person does not follow this shit to the letter, and if you asked these sorts of people why they do not follow Jesus to the letter, they would go into extreme mental gymnastics. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that many people will operate in accordance with reality and self-interest before they ever self-abnegate themselves for the crucified Jew. In the case that they do, like I said, run them over. Part of the problem of Christianity is that while to an extent some of its morals might be good if they are practiced within a community (love your neighbor, golden rule, etc), when it comes to dealing with other groups, it's just suicidal. Christianity both is and isn't under assault by our enemies. Different strategies work on different people. For Christians, the Jews can browbeat them with the Jew on a stick in order to try to cuck them and make them docile. For others, it is good to attack Christianity in order to indoctrinate others into atheism and leftism. It depends on the audience. Islam on the other hand, at least, is a clear and present danger to the West. It is easy to redpill people on Islam. Unfortunately though, they often condemn Islam through a liberal lens, which is something that I personally could not care less about. Islam is dangerous because it is the second most Judaic Abrahamic religion, and because it is, again, universalistic, non-White and at the end of the day little more than a political ideology masquerading as a religion, just like how Marxism is an ideology masquerading as a science.

>>15887 >Part of the problem of Christianity is that while to an extent some of its morals might be good if they are practiced within a community (love your neighbor, golden rule, etc), when it comes to dealing with other groups, it's just suicidal. I'd say that the golden rule applies to other races as well. I'm not a christian but if the White and the other race treats each other with respect, I see no problem.

>>15913 Please tell me how this has gone for Whites so far? We treat them with respect, they murder, and pillage, and rape, and leech off of us and our hard work, I, for one, am done with "treat others as you expect to be treated". Now, I would have pay every racial enemy back one thousand fold for what they have taken from us, and I will see all Jews, mental or not, purged from my nation within my lifetime.

>>15913 The golden rule requires mutual self-respect and altruism. It doesn’t work on a universal scale, especially when being faced with literal Jew-imported invaders and barbarians destroying our nations. The only sane moral systems are those which make a firm distinction between in-group and out-group, and treat people differently according to which group they belong to, and according to whether they serve the interests of the in-group or hinder them. This is about as natural as it gets, and philosophical pilpul and abstractions aside, this is how a healthy Volk functions. True moral systems are survival-based. What is the fundamental value? Survival. Why survival? Because what is dead is worthless, and does not exist. All other values are predicated on the state of being alive. Ultimately, all morality, when removed from pilpul and navel-gazing intellectual babbling, is nothing but survival behavior above the level of the individual. When is what is Good ever egoistic, harmful to the group? When is what is Evil ever beneficial to society and its existence? The good in every moral system on earth is altruistic, self-effacing and self-sacrificing because it benefits the group, while the opposite is decried as evil. These are not arbitrary. They were naturally selected over millennia, with minor variations. Nature rewards good conduct with survival and prosperity, and bad conduct with death, decadence, disease and extinction. Universal morality, where all individuals are treated the same regardless of who they are, I’d go as far to say that it is unnatural. This doesn’t mean you have to slaughter and kill shitskins just because they are outside of the moral in-group, needless to say, but it doesn’t mean there is an absolute prohibition on doing such thing if it forwarded the in-group goals or survival.

Personally I agree with the Oera Linda book on this matter; >Meddle not with the people of Lyda, nor of Finda, because Wr-alda would help them, and any injury that you inflicted on them would recoil upon your own heads. >If it should happen that they come to you for advice or assistance, then it behoves you to help them; but if they should rob you, then fall upon them with fire and sword. Basically treat them like the native fauna they are, not as equals. We knew this in the past but egalitarianism took over. There wouldn't be billions of nigger spread across the globe if we didn't feed them. However the proliferation of technology, especially in the hands of the chinks, may make this nearly impossible today.

>>15940 How does one get redpilled on the Oera Linda book?

>>15949 Asha Logos did a good video on it you can find on youtube or bitchute but nothing will beat reading it yourself. I have just been reading the one hosted on project gutenberg but here is the PDF from archive.org.

>>15957 Thanks, anon. I'll have to check out the PDF and those videos in the near future. I wish it was possible to find translations of some other works of this type in English. One thing I am curious about that is apparently big in some Rodnover circles are the Slavic-Aryan Vedas, or the Book of Veles. Just like the Oera Linda book, they are rejected as fakes or forgeries.

A book on the final generation of pagans.

>>15887 it's true, the Judeo-Christian ethos has a pervasive influence on us, to the point that it's difficult to even think about morality & spirituality without looking through the Christian lens. I've noticed that Western converts to other faiths (Paganism, Buddhism, etc) tend to apply concepts such as sin, guilt, forgiveness, salvation, damnation, etc. which are foreign to other belief systems. even when attempting to break away, they retain their Judeo-Christian assumptions, which continue to color their thought. as an American, I can tell you that if someone refers to being 'religious', that's taken to mean Christian; an example of how thoroughly normalized and widespread it is. I can see how its pervasiveness ends up amplifying the influence of its cucked aspects. >Part of the problem of Christianity is that while to an extent some of its morals might be good if they are practiced within a community (love your neighbor, golden rule, etc), when it comes to dealing with other groups, it's just suicidal. we naturally form into tribes and nations, and universalist religions undermine this. all are not one, and turning the world into a melting-pot will never work. even if it did, it would just homogenize us and reduce us to the lowest common denominator. this is not to say that the various civilized tribes can't trade, interact, and be at peace with each other, but ultimately we cannot and should not be blended together. >Islam is dangerous because it is the second most Judaic Abrahamic religion, and because it is, again, universalistic, non-White and at the end of the day little more than a political ideology masquerading as a religion, just like how Marxism is an ideology masquerading as a science. this is very true. the last point is proven by the fact that Marxism has bred a new generation of fanatics. as for Islam, there are some respectable qualities there, but ultimately it's been wedded to conquest and political rule from its very inception. additionally, while no Abrahamic religion is a proper fit for us, Islam strikes me as being particularly incompatible to Whites/Western civilization. >>15934 this is why treason is considered one of the worst offenses by every culture I know of.

>>15977 >it's true, the Judeo-Christian ethos has a pervasive influence on us, to the point that it's difficult to even think about morality & spirituality without looking through the Christian lens. I've noticed that Western converts to other faiths (Paganism, Buddhism, etc) tend to apply concepts such as sin, guilt, forgiveness, salvation, damnation, etc. which are foreign to other belief systems. This is definitely true. Our mind is so set in the mould of Abrahamism that it can be very hard for many to break out of it, especially the less intelligent. For example, it is very hard for many to understand the nature of Buddhist ethics as "raft" intended for reaching enlightenment only. A means to an end, not something you lug around afterwards, or even the fact that Shinto has no "holy book", or how it is intimately tied in with the Japanese race and its environment, or perhaps especially how it has no real founder, systems of codified ethics or anything so familiar to people who only know Christianity. > as for Islam, there are some respectable qualities there, but ultimately it's been wedded to conquest and political rule from its very inception I agree. It is important to be able to recognize that not everything in Islam is bad. This is easy to do once one stops looking at Islam through a liberal lens. Personally, I have no problem at all with what the Qur'an and hadith say about homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators and other degenerates, or the idea of lex talionis. I recognize that most if not all of these were present in ancient Europe more or less, not to mention in other areas where the Aryans have settled and ruled. But still, as we know, with Islam the bad and good cannot be separated, and built on universalistic foundations, it is inherently anti-White and permissive of Jews (since Jews can just convert in name and become "Muslim brothers" >this is why treason is considered one of the worst offenses by every culture I know of. Exactly. If one leaves or undermines their own group, they're harming it's survival and cohesion, and that is why these people are killed, both as a deterrent, and to prevent them from doing any more harm.

What do you guys think about the contrast between those who want to approach paganism with an entirely reconstructionist-oriented mindset, i.e. trying to innovate as little as possible, and those who are less concerned about the exact past practices, but who still feel as if they are operating in the spirit as the pagans of old? Note that this last approach doesn't imply that one cannot value the texts, or learn things from them. I think I lean towards this approach more than I do reconstructionism. Part of the reason is that I'm a Euromutt myself, so I do not feel as if I align with any one tradition, and due to the fact that there is just so much that we do not know about how our pagan ancestors thought and lived their religions out. I see National Socialism in a way as a rebirth of the European pagan spirit, and Hitler's views towards Nature - which is best interpreted as pantheistic - only strengthen this view in my mind. From reading some works on Shinto, I have really liked how one author described it as "the consciousness underlying the Japanese mentality, the foundation of Japanese culture and values". I also believe that our ancestor's same spirit still exists within us, albeit dormant, and if we were to brush aside this kikery and Christianity, a new way for our people would be born incorporating both new and old.

>>16123 I don't really see how a reconstructionist approach gets us anywhere. We just don't know that much to begin with and our blind spots are so large they might very well fundamentally change that little we think we know. Then there's the bottom-up way paganism developed. Our problem that were's next to nothing factual delivered over time is kind of the same the ancients had. Oral tradition has its own limitations and they may have made up parts of their ceremonies on the spot, perhaps at the behest of a druid high on magic mushrooms. So why shouldn't we do it the same way.

>>16133 >I don't really see how a reconstructionist approach gets us anywhere. We just don't know that much to begin with and our blind spots are so large they might very well fundamentally change that little we think we know. Yeah, exactly. Either that, or they just patch all of the holes with stuff from Hinduism. Some orthodox forms of Vaishnavism are decent, but even these have fallen prey to some Dravidianization over the millennia, so I would caution anyone against that, especially when the idea of spiritual equality still endures, even if it is not quite as harmful in its particular context. It is always dangerous though, especially when these traditions denigrate any form of materiality.

>>15991 >If one leaves or undermines their own group, they're harming it's survival and cohesion, and that is why these people are killed, both as a deterrent, and to prevent them from doing any more harm. correct. a healthy society must purge not only traitors, but also subverters and parasites for the same reason.

>>16135 I'm thinking a lot about a possible form of pagan religion but the main problem I see is actually the part where we have to actually believe in what we do. We could reconstruct the ancient rituals in the most correct manner but without people actually believing that stuff where's the point except doing it for a museum? So we can act in some sort of giant pretend play? I think an Aryan religion in harmony with the natural order would be tremendously useful but right now I myself am pretty agnostic on the whole thing. I could say prayers to Thor and Odin every day but it would be basically a LARP where I parrot phrases that have no deeper meaning to me. And if this is me, I don't even want to know what others think who are much less sympathetic to our cause. Anybody here who believes in our old Gods and does it not only for being contrarian and to spite Christians? I'd be genuinely curious how that came about.

>>16195 No, you're right, we should avoid LARPing and forcing ourselves to believe in something that we do not believe in. I don't believe in any of the old gods. Perhaps they exist in some form, but as of now I remain skeptical. At some point I was planning on studying yoga and meditation in detail to see if I can elucidate anything on this front, because I certainly do not expect to find empirical proof of them, similar to any monotheistic God. Atheists can't understand this fact since they are the most vulgar materialists on the planet. We need something which we can believe, something which can motivate us to action and guide our actions. If you are looking for a religion in harmony with the Natural Order, I recommend that you look into pantheism as an idea a bit maybe. As I said above, it has been plausibly argued that Hitler himself was functionally this based on many statements that he made throughout his life concerning Nature, especially in Mein Kampf, which personifies Nature and Providence constantly. This is impersonal theism, a belief in a type of radically immanent divine Unity. Savitri Devi, from my reading, was very similar. Despite all of her talk of Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva, she through The Lightning and The Sun refers to divinity as a sort of impersonal force immanent within the world, manifesting itself in the Universe through iron laws. I can provide some quotes if you wish later. Certain pre-Socratic philosophers thought in the same way about the world, take Heraclitus for example: >Divine power is manifest in all phenomena: “God is day night, winter summer, war peace, satiety hunger, and he alters just as <fire> when it is mixed with spices is named according to the aroma of each of them” (B67). Again Heraclitus seems to stress the unity of divine power, even if humans assign different names and attributes to it. All things that happen are good, but humans do not perceive them to be so: “To God all things are fair, good and just, but men suppose some things are unjust, some just” (B102). Heraclitus does not attempt to provide a detailed theodicy, but seeks to view all things sub specie aeternitatis, in which conflict (including presumably human conflict) keeps the world going (B80, cited above). https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/heraclitus/ I have similar views myself, and I believe that many anons function on this sort of framework even if they are not nominally identifying with any term, for why would attach such importance to Nature and its iron laws if they were just atheistic materialists, or why would harmony with these laws even be important if we were just atoms bouncing around in a void, monkeys on a space rock? Instead many seem to acknowledge that, whatever the ultimate nature of the Universe is, the Laws of Nature are the intent of that force or intelligence. I believe that building off this sort of framework will be far more powerful and acceptable to large numbers of Whites. The old traditions have value, perhaps more than we know of right now (as I said in the first paragraph). I see all of this as fundamentally pagan in spirit, and I also feel confident saying this given the fact that paganism (in whatever manifestation) had no founder. It was founded by Nature and given interpretations by different men and cultures throughout history. I'm sure every anon here can relate with what this modern Shinto author says about his religion (see two pics) I've also attached a book if anyone's interested that addresses some of what I've said philosophically.

>>16197 I gotta admit I was hoping I would find someone here who's genuinely pagan, i.e. born and raised and believing in the old gods like I keep hearing from people from Iceland where an at least surficial believe in trolls and fairies seems to be fairly common. You seem to have a rather theoretical/philosophical approach to finding the right/natural religion which I think is quite sad, or maybe better put sobering, in the way that we have to piece our religion together instead of having the privilege to experience it naturally. I appreciate the answer though and from that pics you posted shinto seems, in the way it developed, indeed the closest to what I imagine our ancestors formed their spiritual worldview. That's how I imagine it to be the "right" natural and unfiltered way although I'm not sure this way of discovering spirituality is possible in our modern world where nature's laws have been disabled to such an extent that they can hardly be recognized let alone serve as basis for religion due to their corruption. I don't know if that leaves us only with some sort of scientifically grounded living universe techno religion. In my opinion it's just too abstract and not really relatable to convey morals like humanized gods could do.

>>16300 >I gotta admit I was hoping I would find someone here who's genuinely pagan, i.e. born and raised and believing in the old gods like I keep hearing from people from Iceland where an at least surficial believe in trolls and fairies seems to be fairly common. I'd be interested in hearing from someone like that myself, but I have never heard of anyone like this here unfortunately. >in the way that we have to piece our religion together instead of having the privilege to experience it naturally See, given what I have said, I think the nature of what I'm saying is very much something that can be experiential. As far as I am concerned, almost everybody could grasp what I'm saying and experience it if they were dedicated and humble enough to. All one has to do is to let themselves free of subjectivity when observing Nature, making their mind like a clear mirror which will reflect with perfect honesty and impartiality. Whatever our ancestors experienced, wherever in Europe they were from, is something that I think can more or less still be tapped into. It might be a bit harder to tap into given that most people today increasingly live more and more alienated from Nature. >I'm not sure this way of discovering spirituality is possible in our modern world where nature's laws have been disabled to such an extent that they can hardly be recognized let alone serve as basis for religion due to their corruption. The Laws of Nature are unbreakable. It's best to think of them as a metarule more than anything else, i.e. a rule that governs how humans apply all other rules. I'd say what we are doing now is failing to realize this, and openly spurning them, which, sooner or later, will lead to our downfall as a race or even a species. We will reap what we have sown. > In my opinion it's just too abstract and not really relatable to convey morals like humanized gods could do. It's actually the most concrete approach possible. An Abrahamic religion, in contrast, is what is most abstract. It all flows from scripture. Scripture tells you how to live, what God is like, etc. Sure, natural theology is definitely a part of Christianity and Islam to an extent, but the scripture will always be primary. Even then, there seems to have been a belief among some that the Laws of Nature were the laws of the gods. Many of the Sophists Socrates argues with speak in this way. There is nomos, or human conventions invented by humans, and then there is physis, the unwritten law laid down by the gods. With human laws, they could be broken and escaped, but this was impossible with the unwritten laws of the gods. Keyword here is "unwritten".

>>16197 Combine this with panpsychism and you're coming much closer to classical paganism without even knowing it. Just watch this video, the guy talks about the mind of the sun and how it is conscious, but all while remaining completely non-schizo. Panpsychism is the final redpill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xTzwLulRAA

>>16919 >the mind of the sun and how it is conscious Can we communicate with it? I can hardly even imagine the power of a mind that is over one hundred times larger than Earth

>>8799 That's debatable. Imagine you, 10000 years ago. No tech, all the world in darkness, nothing grows, the fuck. Imagine you now, high chances of wagecuckism, mind poisoned, etc. Devaloka: to kill boredom you look into things to enrich your mind and more things to kill with your raiding party. This being cool but perhaps not enough, you're getting kinky and dig for some more hardcore quest. Oops, you signed for the extreme experience (human) and you're stuck down there, not aware of your divine nature.

>>17144 10,000 years ago they at least had more time than we do to introspect and observe Nature around them. Now, in modernity, you’re right that it is likely much harder than ever. The Jews isolate us from Nature, force us to work more than ever before, and attempt to impose on our minds from birth their Jewish science and materialism (in the sense that matter is all that exists, but also the other sense). For a god / deva, the argument I have heard is that they can be prone to living it up a bit, not realizing that their lifespans are limited too. Just think of Zeus and his behavior in some of the myths.

What has been your pagan path, anons? >born vaguely Christian >spend my mid teens as an especially edgy atheist >start becoming redpilled, realize that religion has an important place in society, remain an atheistic materialist >never liked Christianity, but after becoming redpilled I realize it’s Jewish poison destroying Whites >align myself with the pagan spirit if not totally the beliefs >look into a lot of religions, but can’t bring myself to believe in them >finally think that a creator might be possible in a deistic sense, expressed through the Laws of Nature >swallow the Cosmotheism-pill and thus the pantheism-pill >augment my beliefs with the panpsychism-pill and realize that primitive consciousness is very likely everywhere in Nature, both complex organisms and the most fundamental of particles >tfw gradually approaching the true views of our ancestors through introspection and continued study

>>17791 I was born into an Irish Catholic family and my single mother never had me baptized or indoctrinated into the church and surprisingly much of the morality she taught me was more Aryan than I was aware of until recently. I didn't hate christianity, at first, I disliked the uber religious people because they always sounded crazy and refused(and still refuse) to listen to reason and shit on science, the real kind, not the jewish bullshit. I became fully redpilled a little over two years ago now and while initially I looked at christianity as a possibility for my newly awakened spiritual side. I quickly realized just how disgusting it really is and promptly searched for a name for the worldview I was discovering I always had. Now, I despise christianity with the same burning passion that Nietzsche had, it must go and if we have to kill them all to do it, and I think we will, so be it. I am of course still learning as one always should.

>>17954 >recently. I didn't hate christianity, at first, I disliked the uber religious people because they always sounded crazy and refused(and still refuse) to listen to reason and shit on science, the real kind, not the jewish bullshit. What do you mean by the "real kind"? Most uber religious people shit on Jewish science and despise the fools who see that science and technology is the only thing that matters and improves a people. I don't see the problem with them other than being okay with mixing with other races and being egilitarian, because it's better to uber religious and reject science than be a bugmen obessessed and only cares for something that won't make you automatically better than most. Even Nitschze had admiration for zealots, because they knew the stakes for what it means to survive to continue their heritage, traditions, and cultures and ignore bullshit such as rationality, material desires and intellectualism that seeks to weaken and destroy them as a people. This thread is full of atheists who just want to be saved and protected just because they're White.

>>17994 >What do you mean by the "real kind"? Jewish / Masonic* science is easily identified. It is the type of science that posits itself as the only way to find truth, that all matter is unconscious, void of inner life or subjectivity, that nature is completely purposeless, dead and mechanistic, etc. It exists to demoralize, desoul and subvert. The only reason it has gained any prestige is that it can generate material results when focused on its one little domain. *Francis Bacon, a Freemason, lays out in his 'New Atlantis' book a technocratic Utopia ruled by a scientific priesthood making decisions for the good of the society. How prescient...

>>17997 I hope you won't mind if I push this into the Aryan Religion thread? >I think that there is an aristocratic duty to fight, yes, but even if we destroyed the Jews completely - which you could argue we are obliged to attempt - there would be another agent of change after them. Unless the Kali Yuga (about which I don't know enough) ends with their defeat, we will still have to endure it by resisting change in one form or another. Pretty much my thought there too: It's not about winning or losing, it's about doing it because this is what we are and there is no greater contrast in this universe than that between Aryans and Jews. > The role of the aristocrat is to reject the physical world and live exclusively for the spiritual. I reject this view. The aristocrat must accept the rules of the physical world and his duty, as an Aryan, is to imprint Light and Beauty as much as possible into this world, not flee it with spiritual escapism. >I want to reiterate that I don't really have an personal emotional investment in this, but fertility certainly seems to be feminine to me Only if procreation is seen as a thing of the physical world and that this world is identified as feminine. But it fails to understand that a sterile masculine part could not impregnate a feminine form. There is this oozing philosophy wherein biology is ultimately crass because physical, and anything physical is negative and tied to the feminine part. I, on the contrary, think that the physical realm stands in perfect balance between male and female and is not flawed. That would be put me at odds with most philosophers and spiritual thinkers but I also consider that a large swathe of our spirituality and philosophy has been flawed for thousands of years, only to find glimpses of salvation, so to speak, in enlightened warrior mystery cults that perfectly embraced the physical realm and all its struggles and rewards. >the Heavens impregnate the Earth with rain and sunlight, etc. I see this balance too but for the sake of being complete on this, I'd also point out that the star can be seen to nourish the earth as if it were a child, which might explain for some odd reason Sol being considered female by Germanic myths. We might expand on this and wonder if a star, at least of the type that proves useful to life, isn't somehow a true representation of male and feminine principles, thus androgynous (in the spiritual way, no in the ladyboy one). >The idea that all people possess immortal souls is hopelessly modern. Oh yes it is. Only people worthy of being preserved were... preserved. That's a very logical and basic idea tbh. Why would God or the Gods keep around souls and minds that are just useless, chaff? Meritocracy must exist on all planes. It's like sports and movies, nobody wants to rewatch boring movies or support lazy players who do not galvanize the audiences into a frenzy. We surely and firmly reach a point where it becomes obvious that we fight for the sake of fighting, and rewards will abound no matter what, whether in the physical realm or at the metascale. Now, I do not think it's 0/1. I believe everyone has a chance to preserve something of oneself to some degree, whether through one's great deeds or at the very least, through blood links and perhaps even mind-attachment to specific great people (heroes who obviously are people with valuable souls). The Egyptian soul system is very interesting to study here, and most certainly the archaic one.

>>18067 Not all Freemasons were corrupt. We didn't get an utopia, we're getting a jewtopia. What Bacon describes is literally nothing more than an Aryan caste that's not averse to technology and rules over the realm with good intent, hopefully capable of avoiding the mistakes of the original Atlantis, of which one of the chief sins was... miscegenation. Auxiliary question: Where there already Jew-like beings at work inside Atlantis?

>>18072 Freemasonry from its very foundation is corrupted. Their role in spreading democracy, individualism and internationalism cannot be underestimated. Anyone who is a mason is automatically suspect as far as I'm concerned.

>>18099 Today you are absolutely right to suspect them, but they didn't all start as race traitors. There is that issue with Christianity that it brings you into a special kind of esoteric worldview that, unfortunately, has one looking too much into old scriptures that are not so much Pagan although many tried to find a way that focused more on the Christ part than the (((Yeshua))) one. Many of the symbols they use have nothing to do with Hebraic nonsense. Some of the early Masonic lodges, before the time of speculative regroupments and perhaps even almost modern forms of LARPing, secretly opposed Christianity, which with much irony left them more open to Jewish infiltration. Overall it's a complex history and I would say it was complicated as much of it was influenced by esoteric Abrahamism, mostly because Europeans and their descendants grew as Christians. Today the vast majority of the lodges are nothing more than tools of the Jews and most of their members are in for the shekels, the pseudo-initiations, the influence or by sheer curiosity, unwittingly contributing to the death of civilization. I'm totally with the National Socialists who went after them.

>>18070 >I reject this view. The aristocrat must accept the rules of the physical world and his duty, as an Aryan, is to imprint Light and Beauty as much as possible into this world, not flee it with spiritual escapism. I don't think it's so much fleeing the world as being indifferent to its consequences on yourself. Taking action in the material world is how an entity demonstrates its character; demonstrating "worldly" character in the form of materialism, self-indulgence, or concern for personal safety means that the entity is plebeian, not patrician. My thinking is that both a general and a spearman can flee a battle, but the one that flees to fight again is noble and the one that flees for safety is common. So the Aryan might bring Light and Beauty into the world, but that's a demonstration of his character, not the goal of his actions. It isn't possible for a vulgar soul to do so, but it is impossible for the noble soul to resist. "Rejecting the physical world," in this case, means having no attachment to the purely physical and only doing things for their spiritual impact. If you create music to make money, that's materialistic. If you create music to create beauty, that's idealistic. That's the noble's goal. The presence or absence of personal comfort is irrelevant. >Only if procreation is seen as a thing of the physical world and that this world is identified as feminine. But it fails to understand that a sterile masculine part could not impregnate a feminine form. Fair enough, but I tend to prefer the idea that the male role in life-giving comes from a different motivation. Perhaps that's what makes it masculine or feminine. Fertility in the marital bed or on the wheat field just doesn't seem to be a particularly masculine portfolio. >I see this balance too but for the sake of being complete on this, I'd also point out that the star can be seen to nourish the earth as if it were a child, which might explain for some odd reason Sol being considered female by Germanic myths. I've noticed that, too. In Japanese myth, Amaterasu is the sun goddess and her husband is the moon god. In Norse myth, there's Sol (female) and Muni (male). >We might expand on this and wonder if a star, at least of the type that proves useful to life, isn't somehow a true representation of male and feminine principles, thus androgynous (in the spiritual way). I don't have a problem with that, but I'm not sure I could make a good philosophical case for it. Luna and Sol always seem to be of opposing sex, whichever way it's assigned. Maybe there's no unifying principle; maybe, whatever masculine or feminine principles each might have, only one at a time can serve as the guiding light for masculinity or femininity. Maybe the life-giving property of Sol makes it feminine in some cultures, but it seems that those properties which would have otherwise been masculine have to be represented elsewhere in another god or another celestial body. >Now, I do not think it's 0/1. That's a heartening thought, but I'm not so sure. I think that there's a lot to be said for knowing your place. If everyone thinks that they have the chance to get into Valhalla, they will throw themselves into battle...but we can't have everyone doing that. The thralls go to Hel. That's their place. There's no point in trying to die in battle as a thrall. You just have to do the best you can in this life, for yourself and your family, because this is all you get. >The Egyptian soul system is very interesting to study here, and most certainly the archaic one. I think that the oldest ones are the most interesting to study - maybe because I'm less familiar with them. The question is, if we find opposing principles - say, between Gauls and Roman mythologies - do we have to rank one as more appropriate than the other? I'm mostly Celtic-blooded, but most of my mythological knowledge is Greek, Egyptian, or Norse.

>>17994 essentially this >>18067 I used to be an agnostic athiest, but that was because I saw and was exposed only to Christianity and Abrahamic religions, none of which felt right and Atheism felt more in accord with nature and what I observed of the world, I no longer think that and cannot fathom why I ever did and I don't care that Nietzsche had respect for Zealots, not everything he said is correct, for one he didn't hate Jews.

>>17994 >This thread is full of atheists who just want to be saved and protected just because they're White. What the hell are you talking about. "He who would live must fight. He who doesn't wish to fight in this world, where permanent struggle is the law of life, has not the right to exist." -AH

>>17994 At least these Atheists are White. Like who the fuck cares if they're atheists are not. The non-White ones exist too. And they are using this board. Would you say that a religious nonWhite is better than a White atheist? Besides, are you implying that science and technology is total shit while belief in religion is the only correct path? A bit narrow-minded, don't you think?

>>18168 "He who gives to little shits about spirituality and has no belief in rituals or the gods is a fucking faggot and shouldn't referred to as a fascist, but a degenerate"- Me 2021 >>18187 >At least these Atheists are White >You know, atheists may be bugmen degenerates, but at least they're White! This type of argument that is also used by dumbasses who think that White nationalism will protect gays or NS is only about protecting the White race a whole and improving it for the better by forcing and leading them into proper behaviors. Anyone who doesn't believe in a god or the gods is a degenerate, I don't care if you're White or not I despise fucking atheists and retards who think that they deserve to live by mooching off religious communities by being non-believing queers. It's Varg-tier, who only cares about his race and then cries about how muh aryans were geniuses and magnificent when they were super religious about everything that went on in their world and their cultures were created by their religions not science. I despise you and all fascists should if you are an atheists and only give more shits about fucking gay science, whether you're areligious or not especially if you're a White atheists, because they're some of the biggest faggots and degenerates next to Jews. The National Socialist even held this position, so it's perfectly natural for me to hold this as well. >are you implying that science and technology is total shit while belief in religion is the only correct path? Nordic game.png It's better to be a zealot than be gay. Convert or suffer.

>>18187 >At least these Atheists are White. This is the gayest thing you can say if you're a White nationalist and so many times have I've seen morons say this and then were exposed to be degenerates. >Like who the fuck cares if they're atheists are not. Like 99% of the fascists during the interwar and WW2 would care. >The non-White ones exist too. And they are using this board. Ok and? I could care less for non-Whites. >Would you say that a religious nonWhite is better than a White atheist? I would say that they're equal. Religious nonWhites are retards, but at least they're willing to fight for their religion and White atheists are faggots. >Besides, are you implying that science and technology is total shit while belief in religion is the only correct path? Why would you ask such a stupid question? Science is fake and gay in this day and age and don't even think about using muh fake science excuse, because Jewish science dominates all sciences. The ancient Aryans knew many things that we don't today and held beliefs that we didn't even need science and technology for us to understand, such as miscegenation and gene improvements. (((Scientists))) are religiously trying to destroy the White race with new bullshit research that comes up straight from their asses such as those dumb articles calling the Vikings gay and were niggers and chinks or giving all credit of inventions to Levantines and med-cucks. Any religious person who rejects science and knows that it's full of shit and holds that mythology are the only source of truths that matter is wiser than a lab-coat kike who's trying to shill that we all originate from Africa and mutated from niggers. It's better to follow noble lies than fabricated truths that will destroy your race. It's narrow-minded to think that being zealous is only a form of ignorance, but being a Rick and Morty plebbitor is the way forward for the White race, because science will totally save us. You need to hub dub dub the fuck off back to reddit with that statement.

>>18187 >At least these Atheists are White. Skin-color is like the bare minimum requirement one needs. Sometimes that is obscured in how we focus on conflict and struggle between races due to the fact that we are facing a genocide.Being White is necessary, but not sufficient. It’s not hard to pass that bar. I don’t downplay the reality and importance of the biological manifestation of race in the slightest, but if one is not biologically AND spiritually Aryan, there’s a problem. Evola speaks about this. We don’t accept bugman degenerates, sodomites and other weirdos just because they are White for this reason. >Like who the fuck cares if they're atheists are not. More people should care. Historically atheism is exceedingly new in history for anyone to believe outside of a few eccentric cranks here and there throughout history. Atheism began to become a small force alongside Deism in intellectual circles around the time of the Jew- and Freemason-instigated French Revolution. Atheism from then on was tightly tied in with progressive / leftist political thought, especially Marxism. Who are the major intellectuals of modern atheism? — >Marquis de Sade (über-degenerate) >Ludwig Feuerbach (materialist, influence on Marx) >Karl Marx (Jew) >Sigmund Freud (Jew) Along with this historical dimension, the term “atheist” can be virtually equated with “leftist” even today. In America 69% of atheists vote Democrat, and only 15% Republican. That’s literally worse than Jews. Likewise, 64% of agnostics vote Democrat as well. I’m sure the stats are similar in other countries, and though both US parties are Jew-controlled, the actual voters of the parties differ slightly enough whete these facts paint a very clear picture of what the average atheist is really like – a libshit https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/ >Besides, are you implying that science and technology is total shit while belief in religion is the only correct path? Bluepilled. There are several distinct interpretations of the exact relationship between science and religion, the conflict model being one where there is no reconciliation, the model where they belong to wholly separate spheres of inquiry, and one which views there as being no divide at all, and that the two are even capable of integration. Also, most science today is actually (((science))). It’s a politically-motivated tool of control used by politicians to absolve themselves of political responsibility and to give their unilateral decrees some aura of “truth”. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religion-science/#ModeInteBetwScieReli

An unpopular opinion but I think the cosmogony, hierarchy, and perception of Gods and divine nature in Zoroastrianism are much more favorable than the ones laid in Hinduism. The Gods in Zoroastrianism are infallible, indivisible, and all knowing. While the Gods in later Hinduism (They tried to rectify this by promotion of the worship of Vishnu/Krishna) and Greek polytheism are humanistic, deceivable, and with hubris. I think this is the main reason why Christianity was much more favorable to later Whites than their own native religion as the monolithic Yahweh was much seen as a force to be reckoned with to new converts in antiquity.

>>18200 >>18211 >>18217 I guess we just see things differently here. I'm not saying religion should totally be abandoned but you can't straight up abandon science and tech. You're using a imageboarr to say these opinions. If you really hate tech so much, you wouldn't be here. Unless you say that some tech is okay? Whatever you guys believe, at least you guys aren't muzlims who bomb people who don't believe their religion. >>18211 >Religious non-Whites are retards How? So would them not being religious is better?

>>18200 >It's better to be a zealot than be gay. Convert or suffer. Holy war is best war.

>>18136 To add to this, a lot of ancient Hebraic tales took matter from Egypt and Sumer, which were way back then lorded over by Aryans. Some say the Hebrew itself, the language, seems to be beyond the reach of what proto-Jews could have cobbled together.

>>18159 >So the Aryan might bring Light and Beauty into the world, but that's a demonstration of his character, not the goal of his actions. The Aryan is defined by this character and solely exists for this. What he does is what he is and comes to this world to achieve his purpose as his character is in line with his soul. Lest he surrounds himself with Light and Beauty, he withers on the vine, dry and full of sorrow. The end goal is renewed every day. I reject the "no attachment" vibe as if liking the physical form things can take in this realm were base. I am attached to it because of the opportunities it provides for the expressions of what I believe in, as being a field of sensations and experiments. The physical realm is neither good nor bad, it is what we make out of it. I see no issue in making art to make money too. The real difference stands in how money is made and what it is used for. The war against "materiality" (and its implied rule of property) has been a staple of Christianity, Communism and a lot of pro-detachment beliefs. It is just that some people want to possess something for the sake of possession and to show it off, others want to possess that same thing for all its existence and creation implies. >Maybe the life-giving property of Sol makes it feminine in some cultures, but it seems that those properties which would have otherwise been masculine have to be represented elsewhere in another god or another celestial body. it's hard to say because these cultures have a variety of Gods dedicated to all sides of life but usually respect the idea of strength related matters being given to male essences. Then, Greeks had a female hunter and also a female war goddess, Norse people had female deities taking care of rune lore and vows. I could also see how in a cold environment, the warmth of the sun could be likened to that of the mother's embrace, and the coldness of the moon to the severity of the father. Moon and sun orbiting Earth and spinning around it day and night also creating an averaged androgynous principle. > If everyone thinks that they have the chance to get into Valhalla, they will throw themselves into battle...but we can't have everyone doing that. But not everyone thinks that and Valhalla is apparently limited to physically battling people. Half of the dead warriors go to Valhalla btw, not all of them. What goes on for men of wisdom, for scholars, is not clear. It also seems that few religious systems make a difference between inspired craftsmen and mere peasants. This deserves more digging. Men of value and virtue should definitely get a reward based on the quality of their acts, regardless of the nature of such acts. >I think that the oldest ones are the most interesting to study - maybe because I'm less familiar with them. The question is, if we find opposing principles - say, between Gauls and Roman mythologies - do we have to rank one as more appropriate than the other? I'm mostly Celtic-blooded, but most of my mythological knowledge is Greek, Egyptian, or Norse. Gaulic culture has been largely lost and the Celts covered Europe from East to West and evolved into varying subgroups. Religions are best seen as bags of tools. The plebs will believe in anything good if it's properly hammered down. So we should pick what fits and serves our interests and adapt the findings to the current era and vision of the world.

>>18200 >"He who gives to little shits about spirituality and has no belief in rituals or the gods is a fucking faggot and shouldn't referred to as a fascist, but a degenerate"- Me 2021 HAIL ME!

>>18217 >More people should care. Historically atheism is exceedingly new in history for anyone to believe outside of a few eccentric cranks here and there throughout history. Atheism began to become a small force alongside Deism in intellectual circles around the time of the Jew- and Freemason-instigated French Revolution. Deism put back childish Abrahamisms where they belonged though, in the gutter of human history.

>>18223 > I'm not saying religion should totally be abandoned but you can't straight up abandon science and tech I already said in my other previous post >>18217 that there is not necessarily conflict between religion and science. Religion does not entail abandoning science and technology in the slightest either, unless you're talking about bugman-tier science. >at least you guys aren't muzlims who bomb people who don't believe their religion. I wish a nigga would.

>>18296 >Be as barbaric as muzzlims Why do you think indians in India hate Islam?

>>18335 The Hindus have an inferior group-strategy in comparison to the Muslims. This is why they were BTFO for generations on end. Terror can only be overcome by greater terror.

>>18296 NatSoc never opposed science to religion. The whole point was to bridge both, to put an end to a fake opposition such as Christianity vs Atheism.

>>18382 NatSoc was never science over religion either, they cared more-so about reviving Germanic tradition, heritage and reviving religion within the Germany. NatSoc isn't a science-based ideology and the NS parties across Europe were majority religious whether Christian or pagan.

>>18281 >The war against "materiality" (and its implied rule of property) has been a staple of Christianity, Communism and a lot of pro-detachment beliefs. >Communism Hard disagree there. Communism is dialectical materialism. Any consideration of immaterialism was heresy. And Christianity was at least a spiritual light for people when it rejected materialism. Now, with process theology rejecting the immaterial and attempting to create material heaven on earth (just like Communism), they have ceased to satisfy spiritual needs on any level. As ever, changing or abandoning the rites causes the spirit to decay. I reject the material world as the motivation for my actions. It's just the medium I currently have to work with. Material motivations are inherently flawed and will always end with pure materialism, naturalism, or something else that rejects the transcendent. Living for the material world results in higher purpose withering.

>>18335 Hmm, if Hindus have a inferior group strategy, how come they don't enforce their religion to others, compared to Muslims? Hindus confident on their own and don't need other people's approval of their religion by forcing it on them. Islam is the opposite of this, no?

>>18422 To have an superior group strategy you don't necessarily need to expand your group. Just look at Jews. They are less than 1% of the world population but have an extremely successful strategy which is well-suited to their natures and ensures their survival and prosperity even when they are a minority (as is typical). Islam is basically civnat supremacy, where the values that one attaches themselves to are Islamic values and worship of the one true God and His prophet Muhammad. That's all it takes to be a Muslim. Their unique attitude (similar to that of other Abrahamics) is a holdover from Jewish thinking. To the Abrahamist, there is one God, one Truth and only one correct way of approaching these. It is a one-size-fits-all approach to religion. Hinduism and many other pagan religions did not fall into Semitic dogmatism of this variety. Believing this, they alone are correct, and all others are in error and must be corrected. It is a matter of saving them from hellfire and executing God's will. Hinduism, especially back in the time when it first came into contact with Islam, was far less of a single entity than it is today, I'd argue. The term itself was coined by the British, and it is more or less an umbrella term for a huge amount of Indian traditions that in some form or another accept the Vedas. India too was racially, ethnically and linguistically diverse and literally the size of Europe.

"White" anything is a Jewish psyops, nice try kikes.

>>18454 Just thought I’d call attention to the fact that this guy here trying to tell us that anything “White” is a psyop is a Christfag who says we will burn in hell. They really never change do they?

>>18285 Deism is a mixed bag. While it certainly undermined Christianity proper, it also paved the way for atheism and materialism. The universe was equated with a soulless machine that ran like clockwork, and animals themselves were likewise soulless machines according to people like Descartes. The universe was set into motion by God, and then ran in accordance with the Laws of Nature in a self-sustaining way afterwards. We can see both the good and the bad in this last statement. An emphasis on the Laws of Nature appears. This increasingly sterile view of the universe was eventually reacted against with Romanticism, which put the focus back on a living Nature, the sublime, beautiful and irrational. It is no surprise that at this time we can find many pantheistic poets and also many artists who depict Nature and look back to the pagan past. Later with theories such as evolution, Nature again had put back into it a form of internal creativity and dynamic life. We are still far, unfortunately, from the views of non-mechanistic scientists such as Da Vinci who declared that the earth had a soul and that its flesh was the land, and its pulse is the ebb and flow of the sea. See the pics attached to see the contrast between someone like Kepler and Da Vinci. Plato also believed that the universe was far from merely dead, soulless matter. The Deistic God was so distant that it was later declared not to even exist, but for some, this was instead inverted, and God became radically immanent within the world in a pantheistic and highly pagan sense that continues to develop even as we speak. As time passes, the clearer the pagan case will become.

>>18456 Nor do you kike, glad to know this place is a honeypot though. "Christfag" and screeching what is "White" is one of the oldest divide and conquer tactics by kikes since the 1400's. The board owner is glowing, that says enough.

>>18638 Race > Religion. Weird how you think we're not allowed to question and discuss religions here. Lol get the fuck out of here kid.

>>18638 Simmer down, how the fuck is it not evident to you that race is more important than proto-ideology(religion) at this point. >Why don't you convert to Judaism at this point because you are acting just like kikes. Jews are evil scum but regardless of evil and parasitism their proto-ideology is actually functional and preserves their race by actually putting their race first unlike christianity, or cuckstianity as people here prefer to call it, look into the reason beyond just having a meltdown. You know better than to act like this just because people disagree with 2000 year old deraciated scripts.

>>18456 >REEEE WHY WON'T YOU WORSHIP MY RABBI??????? You are only angry about people discussing the racial aspect to all of this because your sand cult is most obviously not White and never will be. You niggers should be banned because you literally contribute nothing. Pagans on this board write paragraphs, Christniggers screech and cry

>>18647 meant for >>18638

>>18657 Sure we do, though I heard bubba(real name ezekiel) in kentucky does it all the time, he lioves him some cow, and he goes to church every sunday.

"Primordial Laws of Reality" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDE_sWh2s5w

Some comments from that video I posted above. These people really need bullied at every opportunity. Race-conscious Whites are a great thing to have, obviously, but don't go into pagan circles if you're just going to complain about when not everyone is a LARPer and how you have some special snowflake "allegorical" interpretation of everything

>>19235 I see atheists Whites as demoralized fags, a people who are either too nigger pilled, lazy or degenerate to want to believe in anything. They reduce all religions to nothing as mere worship, despite pagans having something worship and their worship being more centered around expectations rather than just praying. I don't think they realize that this type of mentality originated and is something Jews want you to do.

>>19431 Accurate analysis, I think. Most atheists just don’t understand religion, is what I have learned over the years. Once I began to actually study and look into various religions my views changed greatly, and I realized that much of my smug fedora-tipping was based on embarassing strawman (muh sky daddy). It’s a hard pill to swallow at first, but one has to realize that the entire paradigm we exist in is geared towards making you into a bugman with no beliefs who thinks he’s just a monkey on a rock in space flying through a void destined for the heat death of the universe—it’s pure demoralization. I feel bad for them, honestly.

>>19431 Atheists in general are technically a branch of the abrahamics, only that they're radical materialists who only care for everything that relates to what they can see, hear, and taste by their own senses and religiously believe in almost any research paper that comes from scientific enterprises and institutions. Atheists have a very nihilistic view on everything, which is why they are demoralized and love to demoralize everything especially if it's spiritual.

>>18388 I see but I was talking from the perspective of the official message of both of these groups. Then, as we move beyond their rhetoric, we will find if we look into Christian eschatology that it is just as materialistic too, but one guaranteed by the act of God, not by that of the collective proletariat as if some kind of Atheistic egregore was at play (both have or had one going for them). The anti-materialism in Communnism attacks the materialistic pleasures (the luxury of the bourgeois) in the same way Christianity does (the influence of the Devil, casting a veil before humanity's eyes). In Christianity it's pushed even beyond the world is divine-less, crass and bound for complete destruction. Christianity being a spiritual light is nothing but a morbid joke. It never had truth descend upon people, a complete red herring which is actually extremely worrying regarding what happens to the souls of Christians. It uses scare tactics, presents you with a monster and torment, then affirms owning the keys to the only accessible and acceptable exit to this entrapment. So it never explains the Laws of Nature, it essentially tells you to flee, to run, to jump in the Jesus boat ASAP. The notion of transcendance is one that puts me in a form of unease because there is the implicit value in the world being a form of dross, devoid of divinity. It is another form of detachment and nurtures disdain and hatred for the world as it is. Material motivations are not a problem in themselves if they're properly balanced. The point of this materium is to plan ahead all sorts of works on this medium. What is wrong is the sheer blind obsession for the matter itself to accrue more of it for the sake of volume and weight, without any concern for ideas and the invisible.

>>18598 This is an interesting point. I wouldn't say DaVinci denied a clockwork-like working of the universe either, for it's a rather obvious conclusion to reach when considering all elements at all scales. This vision of the universe does not exclude the action of souls, but DaVinci's wording leaned a lot on the metaphorical too. We should look more into Kepler and Bruno, the latter had a really live approach to the cosmos and his engaging ideas had him killed by the Christian Church.

>>19452 > I wouldn't say DaVinci denied a clockwork-like working of the universe either, for it's a rather obvious conclusion to reach when considering all elements at all scales. It's definitely not hard to see how one could reach this conclusion—when viewed at the timescale of human lives, the motions of the planets and stars seem to be quite like clockwork and unchanging, but of course this is not quite true, since they are dynamic and chaotic over longer periods of time. The change from viewing things as organisms to machines however becomes easier to understand when we turn our views away from the sky and look at plants and animals. Though many ancient and medieval Europeans of course viewed the sun and and planets as guided by intelligence or minds (many even still do today outside of the West), I will leave that question up in the air here - but a similar process happened with living things. Animals too were just soulless pieces of clockwork according to people like Descartes. Humans at least, for a time, were held to have a spirit still in an otherwise wholly mechanical world. Of course even this was later denied and humans themselves were just pieces of clockwork, their consciousness an illusion or epiphenomenon of the brain. The theory of evolution too was important in starting to undermine this entirely mechanical view of nature back towards a philosophy of organism rather than machines created by an external minds. I'm simplifying a lot here because I don't want to TL;DR but basically a view of dynamic, adaptative and creative Nature is once again coming to the forefront very slowly, and the hard problem of consciousness is leading some mainstream figures to radically alter their materialism.

>that kolovrat and life-rune at the beginning Bold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDena_k1BKA

‘The Slavic Pagan Art of Boris Olshansky‘ http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-slavic-pagan-art-of-boris-olshansky/

Can someone explain, what both Swastika and Hexagram (star of david) represent ? I'm kinda confused, because both symbols are exist on Indian/Buddist temples and statues, which was builded 4000-5000 years ago, even before the Fascism and Jews was a phenomena. So they're probably are both Pagan symbols and pre-date any Abrahamic religion. My "theory", is that Swastika represent "Unity of opposites and cycle of life", when Hexagram represent "equality, erasing of boundaries and chaos". So it's explain why we Whites/Aryans are fighting for "order and purity", when Jews trying to bring "equality and chaos". Maybe my theory is wrong, so what the real deal about it all ?

>>19679 The swastika is a symbol of the Natural Order / Dharma in my mind. It is of course very ancient and can be found in cultures all over the Northern hemisphere since it is seemingly derived from the movement of the Big Dipper around the central polestar throughout the year. The movement around the polestar is dynamic and cyclical around an unmoving center—so I think you are right when you refer to ideas such as the cycle of life. The polestar has been equated with ideal kingship by some cultures such as the Chinese, as can be seen in the Analects, when the king is described as an unmoving polestar that all others pay homage to on account of his virtue and sagacity. The Sanskrit term for the polestar is ‘Dhruva’, which comes from the same Indo-European root as ‘Dharma’, thus giving it a sense of stability, immovability, and support. The Vedic king’s role was the instantiation of Dharma on Earth, seen as a deity. There is undoubtedly relation to the dharmachakra here as well, and by extension the universal ruler, the one who turns the wheel of Dharma, the Chakravartin. The Swastika is a very meaningful symbol. This is why I prefer it over the Black Sun. When it comes to the unity of opposites, I would have to think about it in connection with the symbol. I tend to think of the yinyang in relation to this more intuitively than the swastika, but like I said, I have not yet deeply considered it. Interestingly, it is the hexagram—in its original Vedic form prior to Jews appropriating it—that appears to be associated with the unity of opposites, or perhaps pairs. It is the shatkona, representing the union of Shiva and Shakti, or consciousness and matter (purusha and prakriti), which are two fundamental and mutually-reliant substances. There seem to be further connotations of male and female, active and passive, etc. Your interpretation of the erasing of boundaries seems quite intuitive though, and makes me wonder if the Jews have perverted the meaning of the shatkona into this. It is no longer an interdependent unity of sorts, but a melding or disintegration into a genderless, raceless stew. I am now curious of what it may mean in Kabbalah, but I am pretty ignorant there

I recently learned about a guy who made a lot of videos on a kind of european version of ceremonial magic and kabbalah. His YT channel was deleted twice. Here are channels that contain reuploads of Bear Heart's deleted videos https://invidio.us/channel/UCpmdXuBd8bXrmBGgedLATRg https://invidio.us/channel/UChuu4H9fqa4TNRzVKDBf7NA

>>19990 Weird, I didn’t know that Youtube (((contextualizes))) reptilians for us now. Very strange how they pick certain topics and ignore others.

>>19992 All the reptilian damage control from big corps in the last decade or so is really make me wondering what's up with that, not even other kind of alien stuff get such a knee jerk reaction than those things. It's like seriously trying to explain or contextualize how broom-flying witches or shapeshifting magicians are just old tales.

>>20003 >All the reptilian damage control from big corps in the last decade or so is really make me wondering what's up with that, not even other kind of alien stuff get such a knee jerk reaction than those things. Yeah exactly. By comparison UFOs almost seem kosher. I just looked a few UFO videos on Youtube and none of the ones I randomly selected had any sort of contextualizations. One would think, at least at first glance, that reptilians would be like you said, grouped in with other aspects of folklore and fringe kook theories and not labeled at all, but reality is quite stranger. The only example of reptilians I can think outside of the conspiracy theory are nagas in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. They live in one of the hell-realms, and they are capable of shapeshifting into human forms—which is spookily close to what I’ve heard about them in the modern examples. I don’t even know if I want to go down this rabbit-hole. Jews are bad enough, not to mention aliens or literal demons.

>>20003 >>20006 I think the reason why jews are triggered by "vampires" and "reptilians", is because these creatures are using "conversion of their enemies, rather then killing" and "shape-shifting" as their main behavior patterns. And the same behaviors are using by jews to deceive and take control over gentiles in real life. So, jews are simply seeing themselves in these fictional creatures and afraid, that gentiles can start applying this knowledge taken about these fictional creatures to real life, to find out the (((source of the problems))). That's why they either begin to (((shut it down))), or trying to correct/contextualize to misdirect our efforts to find out the truth.

>>20049 That's a good theory. On top of everything that you've said here, they are likely concerned that if normalfags literally think that they are non-human reptilians or whatever, this will be "dehumanizing" them and make people more likely to go Kyle Odom-mode on Jews

>>20050 Exactly. Especially the ritual murder by rabbis, which jews trying to downplay by calling it "blood libel". Which is not even the human thing, but literally demonic or alien in nature.

I read in 'Tres Occult Philisophia' that one of the major principles of magic (what we should know to mean something completely different) was to "Divine new virtues" from the higher planes. To me, this means a lot. There is no single path for the White man as a group to follow because we must create a new way; Seed a new people and legend that later is told as bible to our descendants. People hold onto Old Ways, or ways they have no connection to, and I personally think this is foolish.

>>20070 >"Divine new virtues" from the higher planes Does he say how exactly this is done? I am somewhat interested into getting redpilled on the occult, but it is hard to know where to start. It's hard to discern when reading someplace like /x/ whether what you are reading is just LARPing or actual good information. >People hold onto Old Ways, or ways they have no connection to, and I personally think this is foolish. Especially with holding onto old ways, it is not necessarily bad in the slightest, but I do not support blindly aping every aspect of the past.

>>20074 i usually reccomend something like this >The Kyballion >The Arcane Teachings - The Arcane Formulas -i.e hermetic stuff + indo-aryan anthropology, like in Myth of the 20th Century, or the general outline you'd get from places like here. You need to understand 'Occult' as merely meaning 'Hidden' and differentiate between black magic and real, proper Mental Alchemy - assuming that what you read in these volumes is true After that, your own discretion and specific ethno-religious path must be hearkened too. If you need more pointers, I currently follow Gnostic, Vedic, and Hermetic teaching, understanding what knowledge is left to make sense of. Most of this stuff was burned and subverted for a reason. One reason that isn't hard to guess why.

>>20082 Thank you for the tips, anon. I will very likely check out these books when I get a chance. With the Hermetic stuff in particular I have been interested in, though I have not looked too deeply yet, it’s just that the idea of “as above, so below” is intriguing to me. Maybe I will have to look at Evola’s book on the subject as well. I have recently redpilled myself on a handful of things such as materialism (in the philosophical sense) and connected with that consciousness, so I am sure that this is the perfect time to get into this stuff

There will be no true pagan rebirth until someone becomes sufficiently enlightened enough to provide a foundation for one. What is missing is the true mystical soul of these original religions. One has to reach tirthankara levels of redpilling for this to happen

>>20657 Ask and you shall receive

>>18285 Deism is better viewed as a degenerated form of Abrahamism, where God is reduced to be a demiurge-like being who created the universe like a person builds a machine and then fucked off afterwards. It’s easy to see why people ended up just becoming atheists after this

Today I will remind them ...

>>20657 What does it mean to be enlightened in Western Paganism? Supposedly, the Hermetic path is one that leads to greater insight, but that's about the extent of my knowledge on the field thus far. >missing is the true mystical soul of these original religions What do you mean by this?

>>21430 >the hermetic path is one that leads to greater insight >that's all I know >missing the true mystical soul of these original religions It's time for some introspection, anon, because you embody his point perfectly. Every spiritual discipline is esoteric in nature, Hermeticism and the various pagan cults included. Insight of any kind is considered worthless by even the most erudite orders and traditions, if it is not applied to your own personal growth and development. What that growth and development is, also differs from the materialistic mindset you were raised in- we're not talking about morality or prudism here, though those can be a vehicle in some paths. Every mystical tradition is ultimately just a symbolic framework by which you can understand reality and your role in it. Your comprehension of things will always be framed by your internal nature and external mindset, and delving into the mysteries of your nature is the difference between improvement and stagnation.

>>21428 Yeah, this post is spot-on. I've noticed many of the same things. I think weaponized memetics is key to understanding the jews and how they assert influence on gentile societies. Christianity, Islam and modern secular ideologies that are founded on slave morality are all jewish-created memeplexes, and their effectiveness depends on infecting other groups while quarantining your own. >>21430 >What does it mean to be enlightened in Western Paganism? This will be vague, but I meant it in some general sense of receiving some form of profound or true spiritual insight on matters. Becoming a Buddha in the most literal sense, i.e. an 'Awakened One'. >What do you mean by this? Originally, I see it is as very likely that the pagan religions of our ancestors were in some sense 'revealed' through mystical states of consciousness that certain individual obtained. Just think of rishis and how they are traditionally the Vedas and other Śruti texts are said to be authorless, yet transmitted through those who have 'seen the truth'. We know that certain groups within Europe too had things most likely similar to the Vedas, but never put into writing, but passed on exclusively by oral means, such as among the Druids. It seems clear to me that the basic core of these religions came about through this sort of process, rather than just merely 'misunderstandings about the natural world' that some people like to attack paganism with. There is no reason to think that whatever they tapped into at various times and places does not exist any longer, and that is what we are missing today. We have these texts and descriptions of texts, but no vivifying core to it. I'm obviously not saying that everyone in the past who engaged with these works had direct spiritual insight into what inspired them, but they were in an unbroken connection with those who did, and likely had richer and deeper interpretations and insight themselves because of this. Now we have a two millennia gap, and think that we can just pick up read some pagan epics and suddenly have all of the necessary pieces with us to reestablish the traditions in a true sense.

>>21428 It's not that important, but Nabû-kudurri-uṣur wasn't compared to a fallen angel, and Lucifer isn't even a character in the Bible. jewish fairy tales are quite complicated. https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=wc47JDmpWt0

>Dharma Nation has a D*scord now Gonna take one for the team here and see how redpilled they actually are behind the scenes. >inb4 it's a dataminer Undeniable

>>21430 Don't listen to these people. There is no "Western paganism". The West was an artificial construct uniting peoples who have different destinies together, complete with Judaism both spiritually and philosophically. Turn to the path of your ancestors, if you are Slav, be Slav, don't larp as a Germanic. If you are Germanic, be Germanic, don't try to be something else. And so on. These people who speak of Hermeticism are imbeciles who know nothing, I have been around this subject for over two decades, drawing from my experiences with the O9A and Aurum Solis, and nothing helped me more than actually establishing relations to the gods of my ancestors and learning from them directly. Think about it, are you going to take advice about being an immortal from a being who is mortal? Are you going to take advice from a guy presenting a Buddha as an ideal, regardless of whether Buddhism is essentially eastern Judaism and is a perversion of whichever local indigenous spirituality it subverted in Asia. Bon in Tibetan Buddhism, Shinto in Shingon, etc. The "West" is not something you should aspire to, neither is being a rice nigger from the east. The best thing you can do is practice and establish contact with forces connected to your ancestors that can teach you.

>>21965 This is a hard pill to swallow. You can appreciate the beauty of your sister-race, admire its triumphs, and lament its defeats, while keeping to your own racial ideal and living the continued epic of your own people. The very best that hermeticism can offer you is a metaphysical framework to base your understanding of reality around. It won't give you the tools or essence required to enact change in yourself or others. All of the entities and spirits you'll find in these schools are simply concepts, they exist as ideas and nothing more. If they're not immediately congruent with your being and your ethno-spiritual heritage, don't bother working with them at all.

>>21966 >There is no "Western paganism". There is as an umbrella term to refer to diverse pagan traditions native to Europe in contrast to Eastern religions of Aryan origin. This includes Slavic paths, Germanic paths, etc, as you mention. >Buddhism is essentially eastern Judaism How so? I know that Western Buddhism has been utterly flooded with kikes, but it is different in the East, at least traditionally. In Japan specifically we can read in works put out by the Japanese government in the 1940s such as Kokutai no Hongi that Japan was successfully (according to them) able to sublimate any destructive aspects of Buddhism and 'Japanize' it sufficiently, just look at ideas like honji suijaku.. There have always been some Japanese nationalists though who have called out Buddhism for being anti-national though.

I have been looking on other boards (/x/, /fringe/) for some help regarding the information in the infographics I posted, but haven't gotten the answers I was looking for. I think this is the thread most adequate to ask about this stuff here on /fascist/. I haven't had the time to read the books referenced in the infographics but archived most of what is mentioned in them and will make it available below. I did read both documents referenced in the first image which sparked my interest and now I am starting to listen to the tapes. Could anyone give a summary of all of this to someone who is new to this stuff? Are the tapes dangerous in anyway? Have you used them? If so what were the results? The European Awakening Archive Link (AnonFiles): https://anonfiles.com/Ncm358F5pf/The_European_Awakening_Archive_rar Audio: » Monroe Institute - Hemi-Sync: The Gateway Experience [FLAC] + Manuals [PDF] Books: » C. G. Jung - The Structure And Dynamics Of The Psyche [EPUB + PDF] » Chris Carter & Rupert Sheldrake - Science and Psychic Phenomena [EPUB] » Dean I. Radin - The Conscious Universe [EPUB + PDF] » G.R.S. Mead - Pistis Sophia [PDF] » Ian Stevenson - European Cases of the Reincarnation Type [PDF] » Ian Stevenson - Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation [PDF] » Ian Stevenson - Where Reincarnation and Biology Intersect [PDF] » Julius Evola - The Path of Cinnabar [PDF] » Rupert Sheldrake - Morphic Resonance [EPUB] » Steven R. Pritzker & Mark A. Runco - Encyclopedia of Creativity [PDF] Documents: » Analysis and Assessment of Gateway Process (CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5) [PDF] » Project Star Gate (CIA-RDP96-00789R002600360002-3) [PDF] Video: » The Science Delusion - Rupert Sheldrake at TEDxWhitechapel [MP4]

>>22002 Broken file

>>22002 This looks like a good list, thank you anon, it looks as if I still have a long way to go. I have checked the file yet though, so we might want to find out if >>22014 is right and whether we have to recollect the sources and put up a new list. I've been getting into Rupert Sheldrake a bit here lately, and I would definitely recommend his works. Though a little bit more distant from European Awakening as such, his work The Science Delusion / Science Set Free (the video version of which you mention) is very good and definitely gets one thinking about various topics they likely would not have thought of otherwise, especially if they are not as yet awakened as they could be. The Rebirth of Nature is also a good one. There is also talk of things such as life force, morphic resonance, animism, conscious stars and planets and the like in there. Haven't checked out Ian Stevenson in depth but it looks promising, didn't his findings seem to show that often one is reborn among one's people?

>>22014 Re-uploading. Will post new link shortly. >>22021 >so we might want to find out if >>22014 is right He is correct. I uploaded the files myself this morning but for some reason the link isn't working. Re-uploading them now. >Haven't checked out Ian Stevenson in depth but it looks promising, didn't his findings seem to show that often one is reborn among one's people? Like I said in the original post, I haven't had the time to read any off the books yet but it appears so, pic related.

>>22023 Look forward to your reuploading, anon. >Like I said in the original post, I haven't had the time to read any off the books yet but it appears so, pic related. Ah, my bad. I did not look closely at the infographs while reading your post, so I was assuming for whatever reason that the list of books below was somehow slightly different from anything mentioned in the infographs. If this are closely connected, as they look to be, this will be good to study in tandem with the infograph as you appear to be wanting to do. And thanks for the pic, that is very interesting.

>>22023 >pic What if a person is a mutt?

>>22033 Eternal oblivion after death

>>22034 Technically it should be possible even for a mutt to preserve his consciousness and achieve some form of afterlife, but in practice this never happens. Especially for 1 to 1 first generation mixlings, they just don't have the mental faculties, much less the spiritual ones, required to develop beyond a state of golem-like automatic living.

>>22023 >Indians not bound to their caste So besides the idea of reincarnation, can we say that a Indian of a lower caste can be seen as a better if his attitude is good while in his present life?

If the reincarnation mostly staying within the race is true, does that mean that karma as popularly understood is false or misunderstood in some way? For example, does a human always stay a human, or a person always within their race? The latter definitely seems to show out in the cases that Dr. Stevenson has covered. Perhaps one is born, one 'emerges' or 'differentiates' in some sort of way from the racial collective consciousness / field and then merges back into at death, in rare cases maintaining memories of previous lives. I am now curious to know whether there have been any studied cases of human-animal reincarnation. Unfortunately it's much too hard to study, I would say.

>>22081 You don't merge back into the racial soul at death, because you never fully separate from it in the first place. Your consciousness defines the race as much as it is defined by it. Reincarnation is irrelevant, because you should never experience it in the first place.

>>22084 >You don't merge back into the racial soul at death, because you never fully separate from it in the first place I would agree with that statement. I guess what I was trying to get at was what degree of individuality would persist after death in a conscious sense. If we would take the consciousness of the individual as being of some sense derivative of a more basic "background consciousness" of the racial soul, what I was wondering was whether at death if there is a dissolution of the individual as a derivative and a persistence of the collective. That would be the "merger" I mentioned. I guess it would be like a body of water. It's one "thing" in a sense to commonsense perceptions, but there can be temporary local disturbances in the water that temporarily become distinguished from the rest of the body, i.e. such as when a whirlpool is formed in water, only to fizzle out after a certain amount of time and seem to merge back in with the whole. But that would seem to go against what the reincarnation research has showed when people have a specific memory of something or marking similar to a previous individual that lived, so maybe my speculations / questions are totally off the mark, since, if these are real and not just nonsense, there is some form of individual persistence beyond death. Also, I wouldn't say that reincarnation is fully irrelevant, even if not experienced. It could really shape many people's perceptions of how they live their lives, how they see their race, and the like, etc.

>>22097 Individuality will always persist in the absolute sense, since reality itself has to be framed around a point of reference, and that will always be the "I." What happens at death fully depends on your own state. If you are so weak-willed to accept dissolution and forget yourself, then so be it. That state of stasis is called Gehenna. You can, however, maintain your sense of self through sheer force of will. There's a reason only the greatest warriors reach Valhalla.

>>22002 >>22014 >>22024 The original link appears to be working now. But if by any reason it isn't, I uploaded a new, smaller version which replaces what was on the audio folder with the torrent file I originally used to get The Gateway Experience tapes. This torrent includes all the audio files as well as the manuals posted on the original link. Link #1(AnonFiles): https://anonfiles.com/LfS7GbFdp7/The_European_Awakening_Archive_rar Link #2(ZippyShare): https://www23.zippyshare.com/v/AIwf4oHf/file.html

>>20070 This is a gay way of saying "I don't want to do anything, I just want to hope and cope". This is why fascism hasn't gone anywhere at all.

>>22034 Actually a mutt can redeem themselves by not producing any children and being virtuous and understand nature herself. Generally those who do good in life may be fortunate enough to reincarnate into a superior race/species.

>>22192 This is why people recommend the Bhagavad Gita so much, as the central set-piece of the work revolves around Arjuna’s desire *not* to take action. Detached, selfless action in pursuit of duty and dharma is the way.

>>22193 >>22044 (check'd) I often wonder what would become of someone like Bobby Fischer. Delving into family history has made me concerned that somewhere, there is some measure of dark impurity in the blood and it creates a worry in me. What would anons suggest, if such a thing were to be true? I would like to get such opinions in preparation of the worst possible scenario, so as to know how to best proceed. It's a thought that's consumed my mind, even though I have no features that would ever state me as anything but Aryan.

>>22139 Thank you for this, anon. I don't know what the cause was but I got a 502 error with the AnonFiles one, but ZippyShare seems to be working.

>>22315 I like that third one in particular. It would be cool to see how these looked in their prime. I’ve always wished I could see the Colossus of Rhodes or The Statue of Zeus at Olympia

>>20070 Yeah no, I'm doubting that occult stuff will ever save anything or bring fascism upon the world. Occult shit has never been anything to me, but a bunch of hidden secrets or just a larp for nerds to make themselves happy that they're magicians. I doubt any of this occult or magic shit ever works.

>>22357 Anyone who ignores the occult and the spiritual does so at their own peril. Most people on places like /x/ are LARPers, but it is very real. There is a reason the elite dabble in this stuff, and why men all around the world once dedicated huge amounts of time and energy into these studies. They want you to think that there is nothing outside of the readily perceivable and mundane in this world

>>22358 This is why people laugh at us

>>22358 People often forget that in federal agencies, anyone from middle administrators and above are really big into numerology and gemmatria, and even that's peak normie in their circles. They're pretty good at it too, astrology and number correlation is used to predict possible incidents and heighten security, and often times it works where traditional intelligence gathering doesn't. All of this stuff is accessible for anyone who can do high school mathematics, you don't need to be a psychic to divine influences and potentials.

>>>22371 >This is why people laugh at us People? Yes, people brainwashed since birth. Like >>22381 said, there is ample evidence of the use of symbolism, numerology, gematria and like among the government and the elite. While they do this, they seek to destroy and discredit anything that conflicts with their godless materialism and jewish science. They also cover up all evidence of psychic abilities, extended minds, etc. It's hard to accept at first, but once on realizes that the so-called "laughable" beliefs are far more in-tune with 99% of human history and even some of the evidence and experiences of people today, there is no going back to the bugman outlook

>reading about God before bed and thinking about it >get attacked by something in my dreams the last two nights, likely demons of some kind Are they seething because I'm on the right path?

>>22469 Yes. Keep going, don't let the devil get to you.

>>22470 That's what I was thinking. Last night I was having a completely normal dream, and then suddenly I started to feel violently ill within the dream, and I collapsed on the ground. I could really feel it. And then as I'm laying on the ground, suddenly something begins to pull me. It wasn't like being physically pulled, but it was like a tractor beam for lack of a better comparison, like a force was compelling me in one direction. I gripped onto something in reach, and it felt like my arm was going to be torn off. And then at this point there was a conflation between the dream-world and reality, as I was 100% sure I was being pulled off my bed and onto the floor, because as I said before, I could feel all of this. But then all of the sudden I woke up and I was in the middle of my bed, with my one arm stretched out to my right (the one that had been holding on in the dream) and felt kind of achy. It had me spooped tbh. I'm ready for them tonight though

>>22381 >anyone from middle administrators and above are really big into numerology and gemmatria. That's true, it's definitely a worthwhile endeavor for the inquisitive mind. All prominent mathematicians--as far as I know--were also heavily invested in the above. >All of this stuff is accessible for anyone who can do high school mathematics If you intend to delve into the mathematics of astrology, I'd reckon that it's a lot more rigorous than high school mathematics. Nevertheless, one can still be effective with astrology simply by studying the patterns which other astrologers have noted, without using any math. I would consider Numerology, Astrology and Gematria to be moreso a science rather than occult.

>>22477 Oh, it's rigorous, but you won't have to collapse imaginary equations, it's all algebra and geometry that everyone is used to, just more.

>>22358 >They want you to think that there is nothing outside of the readily perceivable and mundane in this world We all believe in the spiritual and that there are some hidden secrets that bugmen keep from us to shill materialism, but at the same time occult shit does not benefit nor help fascism's case of growing influence and usurspering jews from power, unless there are secrets that can actually help our cause. The occult today is nothing more, but mere larping for nerds who completely reject the material world out of ignorance and selfish desires. The stuff the ancients and feudal nobles/priests used to do isn't really known nor has there been any confirmation that occult/esoteric stuff actually works. At the end of the day you still have to take action at and I'm pretty sure that old occults and feudal agencies knew this as well. The idea that we need to become wizards n shiet or whatever >>20070 is proposing isn't going to help White people until it actually does something to help us.

>>22002 Which order I'm supposed to do the audio exercises?

>>22480 Definitely true. Now is the time for action, and anyone downplaying the primacy of action is either deluded or purposely malicious in the moment that we find ourselves in. Even combat can be spiritual though, as we know and can see in works such as the Metaphysics of War.

>>22481 If your using the audio files in the original link then they are already in order. If your using the audio files direct from the torrent then just follow the order set in the manuals: Wave I - Discovery » Orientation » Introduction to Focus 10 » Advanced Focus 10 » Release and Recharge » Exploration, Sleep » Free Flow 10 Wave II - Threshold » Introduction to Focus 12 » Problem Solving » One-Month Patterning » Color Breathing » Energy Bar Tool » Living Body Map Wave III - Freedom » Lift Off » Remote Viewing » Vectors » Five Questions » Energy Food » First Stage Separation Wave IV - Adventure » One Year Patterning » Five Messages » Free Flow 12 » NVC I » NVC II » Compoint Wave V - Exploring » Advanced Focus 12 » Discovering Intuition » Exploring Intuition » Intro to Focus 15 » Mission 15 Creation and Manifestation » Exploring Focus 15 Wave VI - Odyssey » Sensing Locale 1 » Expansion in Locale 1 » Point of Departure » Nonphysical Friends » Movement to Locale 2 - Intro Focus 21 » Free Flow Journey in Focus 21 You should always read the manual before doing any exercise since it has more information about them.

>>22492 Many thanks. I should recommend those exercises to everyanon here, even if you don't have any interest in out of body experiences. I just did some exercises but I have achieve such a deep focus that I never had in any meditation ever.

>>9167 makes me very sad seeing little discussion about this and similar subjects. I think the talk of 'allfather' or other monotheistic points tend to steer people away from this branch of our anthropology. it is very much worth dissecting and not just throwing out the window because muh stick religion. this stuff is a historical smoking gun.

Did the ancient Aryans use any rituals or anything for when they intermixed with their sister, brother, etc to prevent inbreeding? For some reason we don't see a-lot of cases of Aryans being inbred and less so than Eastern cucks.

>>22522 Was brother-sister incest even common in Aryan society? I do not see the evidence. The major example is the Ptolemy dynasty of course, who were Greeks, but I've seen it said that this was mainly an imitation of Egyptian custom. This seems to have had a mixed reception, one poet named Theocritus likened the marriage to the embraces of Zeus and Hera, but another guy was executed for writing a poem about it. It really seems to have been in Egypt that this stuff occurred on a somewhat to some extent even among common people. The author also cites some jew crying about alleged gentile customs like Spartans and Athenians allegedly allowing marriage between half-brothers or half-sisters. I'd take that with a grain of salt. I'd have to dig around more on this. https://sci-hub.do/https://doi.org/10.1017%2FS0010417500009385

>>22525 >Greeks The Greeks aren't the only Aryans dude and using them isn't really an example, because various Aryan civilizations/society tolerated next of kin marriages and some didn't. The Persians had something called Xwedodah and other Iranic tribes were willing to fuck to their own sisters and mothers to maintain purity or might of been an anime tier fetish from the Aryans and this is might of been the case for the Romans and Classical Greeks as well. Although I've never heard of anything like a ritual preventing interbreeding, although it could be possible that interbred.

>>22522 Aryans usually married their third or fourth cousins to maintain family and racial purity. If someone from the family marries their own brother, sister, mother or father then it was likely because they had no other alternatives to face the same situation Whites had faced within ancient India and their women getting bleached.com. I've never heard of any incest rituals to prevent a child from getting obtaining the bad genes from inbreeding. If there are any meta-physics of sex that can prevent one from getting negative genes then I'm pretty sure everyone who has fucked their sister would of done tried it.

>>22531 There is actually a passing reference to the Persians in that paper I posted, but I did not include it in my post because I had not taken the time to confirm it, but that term you posted seems to be more corroboration.

theres a cancer killing /fascist/ and one of the side effects is people openly talking about shit like this >>22533 >>22534 >>22531 >>22522 hope you find whatever answer you're looking for

Apologies if this isn't the right thread to ask this, but does anyone have sources or studies on the Nordic influence on Scotland, Ireland, and the areas considered primarily Celtic/Gaelic during their conquests there, and how much of it affected their culture and genetics. I've been having this stewing in my mind since hearing mentions of this in videos during my studies. I am aware of the areas they settled and owned, how Christianity already took over most if not all the areas they occupied (raising the question of whether or not there were even people still practicing the Celtic/Gaelic religion, or even considered themselves as such people), and how there were "Norse-Gaelic" (in particular, the Gallowglass warriors) due to intermixing with the peoples in said areas. However, finding evidence regarding the religious practices beyond random people discussing it on websites with no links or sources has proven difficult. I am ultimately curious on whether or not the Norse-occupied areas in these areas left a significant impact on the religious practices or beliefs (prior to Christianity stomping out whatever was left, much like how the governments of these areas are doing to the native populations).

>>22768 I know for a fact Scotland used to be pretty christian by the time of the viking invasions. Some of the odest Orthodox monasteries were built on the northern islands back when they still spoke pure Gaelic. How much that reflected on the agrarian populace, though, remains unclear. All the gaelic regions retained strong elements of folklore up until the 18th century, so it's likely that for the longest time the Celts and Gauls practiced a mixed faith with a strong pagan philosophical backing mashed together with ascetic monasticism and a semi-platonic cosmogony.

>>22542 It was a strange question, but I think we learned what we all expected, that this didn't really occur except in a few royal families

>>22770 >I know for a fact Scotland used to be pretty christian by the time of the viking invasions. Some of the odest Orthodox monasteries were built on the northern islands back when they still spoke pure Gaelic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't there areas that spoke the Anglic languages and even Latin in small areas in Scotland during this time as well? It may have contributed to the spread of Christianity. A shame that the druids/priests of the old religion were unable to stop it's spread. >How much that reflected on the agrarian populace, though, remains unclear. All the gaelic regions retained strong elements of folklore up until the 18th century Similar to the Slavic nations holding onto the old folktales and traditions post-Christianization, though it seems parts of the Slavic nations still practice them beyond the 18th century (in a non-degenerate way, unlike most modern "Celts"). Seems like once the means of transportation through the more rural areas of Scotland improved, many of the old traditions would die out with it (since England was working on subjugating the land). Curious to know however, if the Norse that occupied the areas of Scotland and Ireland continue to practice and hold onto their traditions as well during that time? Or did they eventually leave and go back to their homelands? >so it's likely that for the longest time the Celts and Gauls practiced a mixed faith with a strong pagan philosophical backing mashed together with ascetic monasticism and a semi-platonic cosmogony. This seems evident in the Gaelic areas of Scotland and Ireland, helping form what was called "Celtic Christianity" during this time. It differed from the Catholic church in many ways, the biggest one being clerical celibacy not being practiced (as well as respecting the old traditions more). This form would die out over time and the Catholic, Protestant, and Presbyterian churches would take over and try to remove the old religion and traditions. in their respective areas.

>>22768 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Scotland Wikipedia claims that the Viking colonies and their rule over Scotland has shaped and influenced the Scottish kingdom ever since the Viking invasions. My guess is that there are some genetic influences around the area the vikings settled along with some of the royalty said to be from Nordic families who ruled over the Gaels and Nords.

>>22831 Wikipedia claims a lot of random made-up shit. Even the current (((scientific consensus))) have only altered the noble lineages and governments to any significant degree. Small cultural influences and loan words did filter down slowly, but the population remained essentially Celtic. The biggest and most lasting impact is a bunch of runestones left by the original settled lords. Think of the eastern Hellenic kingdoms after Alexander, or the Frankish kingdom in Italy. Very few soldiers settled into the countryside, they had no reason to as employment was plentiful at the time, much like mercenary Scot warriors rarely settled down in the Irish clans they served. Whatever genes were passed down to the noble families can be judged by yourself- all of them have gone full jew by this point and shifted their feudal holdings into financial assets and money laundering. The native Scots are far nobler in comparison, even if they're all a bit daft.

>>22834 ...scientific consensus >> is that they >> have altered...

>>22834 You do realize everything you claim is written on the wikipedia article right? The article didn't say anything about celts being a minority and norse being the majority it only talks about where the Norse had settled and how they had influenced the aristocratic class and culture of Scotland today. >The native Scots are far nobler in comparison, even if they're all a bit daft Lol what the fuck are you on about, native Scots or not the Norse did indeed become a significant occourance in influence of Scotland today.

>>14558 It does, you fucking idiot, The havamal is part of the Poetic Edda. What I can't believe is that the cover of Lee Hollander's translation is on that list, that jew is clearly biased and shows it in the introduction.

>>22469 What were you reading?

>>23010 'The Experience of God' by David Bentley Hart and the Bhagavad Gita again. I know the first guy is an Christcuck but the book isn't really a Christian book, he's talking about the subject in a general sense and cites everything from various Upanishads, Plotinus, Sufis, Aristotelian philosophy and the like that make it pretty interesting.

I'm in the Dharma Nation Discord trying to get some direct answers on the question of the true nature of the caste question. The admin folded pretty fast and was unable to answer my specific question, and said that I should get Acharyaji to answer it. I'm going to try to get a question directed to him directly through someone else. This is the quickest way to figure out if he's really /ourguy/ or a fake. I'm hoping its the former.

>>23773 He is definitely not /ourguy/. The Dharmanation Discord is full of disgusting passive aggressive boomer cunts. Prabhupada was extremely clear on the role of women in Dharmic religion yet this fat indian larping boomer with his disgusting pubic hair on his head put a bunch of cunts as moderators and even initiated some as "spiritual teachers". This fat fuck has one job. And that is to publish one hour long low effort video each week where he even spents a full half of the video begging for money, reading his feed in search of questions and shilling his supposed movement. And for whatever reason he can not prepare some questions in advance from the questions he got asked during the earlier stream. And often he can not even do that one video per week. This guy sells cups and t-shirts on his website. I can't even... The kali yuga deserves it's own kali yuga guru I guess. Where are all the projects he allegedly does and needs boatloads of money for? There is nothing to be found on his website on anything this guy does besides begging other people for money, selling cups and t-shirts and reinventing the Bhagavad Gita with his stoopid books.

>>23835 The criticism regarding women is the most damning I think. You're right that Prabhupada was very clear on the role of women, and how they must serve their husband and how they must not have independence. This is what the dharma of women is, plain and simple. It's not just Prabhupada who says these things, it's also the scriptures such as the Srimad Bhagavatam and Bhagavad Gita. Didn't he initiate a woman as a Brahmana and as his successor? I think he's a knowledgeable guy to an extent, but I definitely have some issues with the stuff you say here. Where is one to go for authentic teachings for Sanatana Dharma? I enjoy Prabhupada, but I have heard that ISCKON has been totally hijacked by jews.

What's the point of debating modern people's interpretations of a modern corruption of an original Aryan spiritual current? It's obvious every single one of these people will be not only wrong, but dangerously and destructively wrong in every way that matters. You know it's called the Kali Yuga for a reason, do you niggers really expect to find a worthwhile philosopher in the public's eye? If you're studying this stuff, study it yourself. Or better yet, don't even bother with other people's writings and investigate yourself. There's nothing in the Bhagavad Gita that can't be infered from reality itself. Take the akasha pill and abandon intellectual cuckdom.

>>23852 Truth is of course still accessible in the Kali Yuga as it has always been, but even then I'd argue that it is as its most difficult to access due to the general spirit of the age and all of the distractions we have today. I'd argue that a guru or a teacher can be helpful to an extent if they are genuinely more experienced and knowledgeable, but one has to be careful and not give up all critical thinking. I would completely disagree with those who say that you 100% can't do anything without such a person though. There might be more impediments and it might be more difficult, but it's theoretically very possible.

>>23859 I don't take issue with Kali Yuga gurus themselves, I specifically take issue with the ones in the public's eye. Mainstream, wider society, in this age, is completely degenerate, and anything that can survive and thrive in this society appeals to that same degeneracy. There are competent teachers, I'll go so far as to say we have more ascended masters at this point than in any other age of this cycle, but they're all either living innawoods in places that you can't find through profane means, or hidden in plain sight among the wider people. Nobody of worth will be recognized or advertised as such in this day and age, and they themselves don't care to. If you're going to study from clearly unrealized people, the master-disciple distinction is a meaningless one anyway, since neither party can or should be confident in their own knowledge and understanding. I've gained more understanding talking to less experienced and even ethically opposed people than from people more advanced on my own path. If you use the exact same symbols, the abstract distinctions a master makes are expressed in the same way as your own shallow misconceptions, a sentence that holds truth, power and potential for ye may be a conceptual roadblock for me.

I'd definitely agree with this. Anyone truly enlightened is probably living far away from the world and in obscurity. This is why were occasionally here of extremely powerful yogis living in the Himalayas. I can't confirm that, of course, but if there were, that's exactly where they'd be in places like that. Mostly for the reason that many of these unrealized teachers are very well-read in their subject of choice and can offer some interesting explanations and advice is why I can find them valuable at times. I of course am not so enslaved to authority that I accept what they say uncritically. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Traditions such as the Vedic (or even other Dharmic or self-realization-based paths), it should be remembered, are intuitive at the end of the day more than anything, i.e. experientially-based. There's only so much they can teach you, most of the struggle must be done on one's own. I even think that some Christians from the past have entered into mystical states of consciousness as well without the assistance of 'qualified gurus' so they are not necessary, but certainly can be helpful up to a point

>>23864 Meant for >>23862

>>23835 >Prabhupada was extremely clear on the role of women in Dharmic religion yet this fat indian larping boomer with his disgusting pubic hair on his head put a bunch of cunts as moderators and even initiated some as "spiritual teachers". What was is view on the role of women? Besides, I think women in such movements are better than women who become prostitutes and fuck other men with no idea of consequences.

>>23873 Here are some representative quotes below: “In the Manu-smṛti it is stated that a woman should not be given independence, but should be given protection by her father, husband and elderly sons. In all circumstances a woman should remain dependent upon some guardian. Presently women are given full independence like men, but actually we can see that such independent women are no happier than those women who are placed under guardians. If people follow the injunctions given by the great sages, śrutis and smṛtis, they can actually be happy in both this life and the next. Unfortunately rascals are manufacturing so many ways and means to be happy. Everyone is inventing so many methods. Consequently human society has lost the standard ways of life, both materially and spiritually, and as a result people are bewildered and there is no peace or happiness in the world. Although they are trying to solve the problems of human society in the United Nations, they are still baffled. Because they do not follow the liberated instructions of the Vedas, they are unhappy.” https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/4/18/3/ “The varṇāśrama religion’s principles were so designed that the good population would prevail in society for the general spiritual progress of state and community. Such population depends on the chastity and faithfulness of its womanhood. As children are very prone to be misled, women are similarly very prone to degradation. Therefore, both children and women require protection by the elder members of the family. By being engaged in various religious practices, women will not be misled into adultery.” https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/1/40/ “Prabhupāda: “This women’s liberation is not successful. It has caused disaster. When the women become dependent on the welfare gift of the government, then the government has to raise taxes heavily for this purpose. If they think it is not a problem, then what can be said? By nature’s way, if the husband takes care of the wife and children, this problem is solved immediately. But the man takes advantage and goes away after making the woman pregnant. And the woman is embarrassed, and the government is embarrassed.” https://vedabase.io/en/library/spl/2/46/

>>23911 That was a good article. I think it's undeniably obvious that the jewish narrative regarding pre-Christian Aryan societies is full of bullshit at this point. On top of that, I was not aware of the one part of the Laws of Manu which put massive fines on those who committed degenerate act likes that. That ups my opinion of their position to an extent - I was aware of the bathing with clothes on verse but not that one. I guess a loss of caste is a pretty big penalty as well.