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/film/ Meta Anonymous 05/13/2020 (Wed) 12:13:48 No.1 [Reply] [Last]
Is this our home now?
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>>2523 the "happening" is in the editing, both the cutting and the superimpositions >enjoy it should cinema be solely made for enjoyment? furthermore, i enjoyed it immensely, rather subjective this enjoyment, innit
>>2529 It is a good point but Zulawski was the kind of guy who also said his wife was not for his own personal husband enjoyment either, if you catch my drift, so i don't know if his word about what should be or is could be taken into serious account. >should cinema be solely made for enjoyment? Perhaps in a certain definition it should not but i think the definition by a vast majority does regard the factor of said media that is to be consumed, so in its consumption it should take into consideration the dynamic to digest it better or "be entertaining", otherwise we go into the technical realm of crafting it for ideal presentation which disregards the artistic part or at least the conceptual gist of it.
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>>2529 >rather subjective this enjoyment, innit Experimental films generate very subjective reactions, moreso than any other genre
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Hello /film/, ICUP 7 is still being worked on, and progress is still steady, but we need your help. If you have a good PC enough to run PES 2017 and to stream it, or if you are willing to commentate, please contact us at >>>/icup/. Currently we have three potential streamers, but the more the merrier. In regards to your team, it is currently valid, however you need to choose team colors (2 to 4), an opening anthem, goal celebration song/s, and team tactics. Even simple team tactics will be enough, but more detail is better. If you need help, ask on /icup/, or look at guides on the wiki. https://infinitycup.miraheze.org/wiki/Team_Strategies https://infinitycup.miraheze.org/wiki/Player_Cards For extra fun, I recommend uploading portrait images for each player (to replace the empty icons in the Game Plan view) here or preferably create your roster page: https://infinitycup.miraheze.org/wiki//film//Roster They will be square (transparency encouraged) and about 75x75px in game, so consider pictures that will look good when downsized. You can also try and find 3D models in case we have extra time to add them. Finally, if you are capable of doing 3D modelling, creating OC, working on the wiki or just helping in any way possible feel free to reach out as well.

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Open Thread Open Thread 08/31/2020 (Mon) 21:01:08 No.34 [Reply] [Last]
[JW01 ~ 08/24/2019] There aren't many people here, but this bunker needs more content. Post something interesting that doesn't fit into other threads.
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Has Trinh T. Minh-ha made anything worth watching... or is she a mediocrity elevated by the progressive stack? Reassemblage is not an essential short and it's sloppily "assembled" to boot. I see a lot of people gushing over her work as if it unlocks some profound truth. Trinh has a 3000 word wikipedia page, over three times longer than legitimately interesting directors like Ulrike Ottinger and Kidlat Tahimik.
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The first part of this video outlines some of the new applications of "AI" in video production For example, LED backdrops replace greenscreen to improve natural lighting. (This of course reveals that AI itself cannot convincingly reproduce natural lighting.) Some of the other uses have an uncanny valley feel to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixgFtjfO_7Q https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=ixgFtjfO_7Q
Currently coursing a writing activity thing once a week and getting instructed on how to write specifically technical documents to present at producers/directors, not really scripts but yeah practically scripts, instructive documents on how to make short projects without going into the director's dossier/shooting list. Been lagging around here so i expect to pass that on digital, translate it and post it around here and then start the PDF dumb just for the heck of it and kick myself a bit to read about camera work. If i ever get spare money then a video camera and try my hand at shorts but because nomonies i will probably end up doing "video art" aka experimental nobudget pretentious series of cinemagraphs, so that opens a whole new area i know very little aside from music videos. I remember reading the best only acceptable kind of video art projects are the ones experimenting about new or little used techniques, in this case because of no money what should i do? what do cinematographers even do when they have absolutely no money at all other than their camera? The Man with a Movie Camera version #88? should i expect to know after reading 2 or 3 books about camera work?
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>>2590 >what do cinematographers even do when they have absolutely no money at all other than their camera I'm inspired by Paul Clipson, although now I can't find the relevant quote (from an obit) ) where he summarized his approach. He said something about a preference to just go out and shoot instead of spending hours planning what to do. As a result his work had a compelling spontaneity. Granted that's not an easy thing to duplicate without developing a sense of what to shoot and how to shoot it.
Once again this year another lore character of Hong Kong's film industry has passed away: Ni Kuang or sometimes written I Kuan was a shanghainese bookworm and a fanatic of fantasy/wuxia and science fiction literature, later on these feelings of utopian or impossible ideals and other assorted fantastical tastes naturally made him enroll in the communist party (police academy area) but he soon faced the dire reality of being coy while serving as a bookie in a mongolian commie security bureau outpost, in which he was often in charge of signing the written notices to send people either to the camps or to be executed. At some point he received a notice himself after poaching wood from the outskirts of a farm (owned by the family of a party leader) to warm the office at winter and soon escaped said outpost, back in his town his family refused to shelter him due to fear of being all send to the steppes and, like many cultured enough in gommie china, fled the country while in his particular case he went to Hong Kong after months of journeying in the rural areas and paying up 3 months of salary money to be shipped across the mainland to the island. Here is where things got relevant, he worked as hard labour for a while but due to his knowledge in several genres along with very disciplined workflow (consequence of being a chicom pencil pusher both to survive and entertain himself) he started penning amateur work for some newspapers and became a solicited freelancer both as a writer and as a quality control not much later, at some point writing a column for 12 newspapers at the same time, and after making friends with some literatefags in the city he was suggested to make his very own novel. Later on the novel was made and supposedly became an influential hit we don't know if they were good because hongs very rarely translate their literature and after getting a bit more fame he was invited to collaborate with the hegemonic film studio of the city-state, the Shaw Bros., where he became the almost-omnipresent staff script doctor for almost every screenplay that was considered worthy of filming. The hong industry has a particular thing, in which i know has a name in terms of industry practice but i forget about it, where an entity will oversee almost every output made and credit itself entirely even if they haven't touched the product but will also produce and cover up most expenses along with functioning as a supporting role if work gets trickier; such is the case of Ni Kuang and the Shaw Brothers film output, where he is credited at almost 400 scripts in 20 years (191 in the martial arts realm) if someone entered a basic idea or an advanced script he would supposedly come in, format it to industry standard to present it as an official screenplay, maybe fix some plot points here and there and then credit himself while other times maybe he would do the entire thing or some other times he would credit himself to make some freelancer avoid contractual problems with another studio. Most of these ranged in the wuxia/fantasy, urban crime, military drama or the studio's main source of income: Martial Arts flicks. There was a comment i read time ago which said something around the lines that "if you watched any hong kong movie from 1965 to 1985, there is a solid legitimate 33% chance it was penned at some point by Ni Kuang" and honestly it is not a hyperbole. After ditching the newspaper gig in the late 60's he went on to concentrate his efforts in the studio along with doing some "novels" chinamen call a lot of things novels, we can say chapters, comics, short stories, actual novels, etc and sometimes even if he didn't sign the script his work would be adapted by someone else as he freelanced or doc'd fiction works for other people, so if we believe the numbers there are around 500 products out there with his ideas or foreign ones with their consent as he was drinking buddies with many well-known writers of the time; if some movie's story was way too similar to a famous novel it could be maybe that he either supported said writer with the same plot points or just ripped it off with previous blessings by the man himself. To make things more absurd there's known work that was his but went uncredited to avoid contract problems, such was the case of Bruce Lee's Fist of Fury and The Big Boss, done because Bruce paid good money to disregard "the rules" which was the real reason why he got bumped off We can even argue the majority of the cliches, tropes or what have you in the martial arts genre was invented or implemented narratively by Kuang, so if someone thinks most martial arts movie play the same and have no variation at all, as if they were written by the same dude, then surprise... it probably was. In reality the guy probably didn't write, in an integral form, more than 100 works but his orders to format the napkin stories and streamline most anything with the same plot points, ideas and even basic dialogue lines makes him a core personality in Hong Kong's film lore and basically the entire martial arts/hand-to-hand combat action genre. With his death the last of the 4 major writers of the Hong industry rests in peace, in the coming days we'll see if he will receive an outwardly fanciful farewell like he did at some point being the co-protagonist of that Coffin Drinking Tale (along with recently deceased Jimmy Wang) or if he will be somewhat ignored by their media due to his staunch anti-communism position, rumored umbrella sympathizer along with being an allegedly somewhat famous PRC critic via satirical columns done both in the 60's and the late 80's, the main reason of his departure from the island in the mid-90's (along with many other chicom expats like Jet Li) which also effectively ended his script doc and big editorial career. Coincidentally i saw a movie penned by him yesterday although that's not an oddity lol, RIP nevertheless

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Request & Share Anonymous 09/01/2020 (Tue) 13:51:06 No.277 [Reply] [Last]
[JW03 ~ 09/11/2019] Friendly link exchange
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>>2578 That's exactly what i was looking for. When I was trying to explain me, it was that, the way that the movie can explain a lot without using dialogue, just using scenary and photography. I would love to find another genre but using the same technique, obviously i'm not a big fan of silent movies because, god dammit we are in the XXI century, but is great to show how much you can say without saying anything. Again, thank you bro
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>>2582 >the way that the movie can explain a lot without using dialogue, just using scenery and photography Back in the day that thing you described was called "good filmmaking", or in a less pretentious and ambiguous way it was "the storytelling via moving images" or simply motion picture. It is the original spirit of movies, or the 3/4 parts images 1/4 words, but with time the producers realized it is easier to express ideas and intentions via the actor saying it than by designing camera and character movements in specific set scenes with specific atmosphere conditions. Nowadays movies vary in its ratio, some are 1/2 images and words ("talkies" or merely the modern normal everyone knows), others are 3/4 words (teletheater) and the only words ones are i don't know, they do exist (07/27/1978) but i wouldn't know how to call them, i guess the name it has for it in single-scene theater productions which i am ignorant about. Only images also happen but they are even tougher to make, if badly done they are defended as video art but if well pulled out they are often called in likewise umbrella terms like art cinema or experimental. For all their silly shenanigans in film theory the french were often found doing this out of purism sometimes, maybe one of the most accomplished examples is Mon Oncle although it's a far cry from the cold crime dramas Melville is known for. If you can catch it i would recommend checking the first 15 minutes of the original version of The Mechanic, has to be one of the best made intros and chapters in action cinema; rest of the movie is quite okay but for different reasons and does a bit away with the purist style it opened with (which is honestly very hard for a full length production). Maybe after seeing Le Samourai you might consider the entire thing as they deal with similar themes.
Fellas, help a brother out. Das Jahr nach Dayton (Nikolaus Geyrhalter, 1997) >A portrait of the first year of peace in Bosnia. This is a human story played out before a background of a war which still makes itself felt, a story of a possible life together, which has on the other hand become impossible in many cases. Rajko, the Serbian mechanic and his family must leave their home for the second time. Nermin, the actor, lost both legs in the war and might have the chance to learn a new role. Halid, a shepherd from the Muslim-controlled region, risks his life to visit friends on the western (Croatian) side of Mostar.
>>2573 Sorry but were these ever finished? If so, how would I find them?
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>>2594 Progress update

"Identify this film I barely remember!" thread italodisco 03/13/2022 (Sun) 21:58:51 No.2381 [Reply]
Figured it would be good for others, I've been scratching my brain for hours (unhealthy?) trying to remember where the he'll I saw this scene: A man wearing a hat steps outside to smoke a cigarette, when a phantasmagorical hand appears from thin air and seems to bother his psyche... The weirdest thing about this is that it felt like a silent film, but the elements like the man and his hat felt very noir-ish... And this might be the years of substance abuse catching up to me but I even remember the scene being purple tinted and the floating hand yellow tinted... Or was it the other way round! Am I losing it!
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>>2547 Britain seems to have the most CCTV film plots https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471030/
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>>2549 Britain pushed really hard for CCTV back in the 90's, it was a fad topic and very often mentioned in London areas because out of nowhere every street had them, it was the telltale sign for London residents that it was not the old city anymore but a metropolitan beast. Basically the "bin that knife" of the 90's. There's even a good electronica album about it
>>2550 God damn that is some good 90's graphic design.
Was there ever a movie where a kid "shot" up his school with bow and arrow? I thought it was Mysterious Skin but because all I got was faggotry in the first 20 minutes I read the summary and I don't think that's it.
>>2584 Bow and arrow school shooting, We Need To Talk about Kevin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOKichCXu2o

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Comment on the last film you watched Anonymous 09/04/2020 (Fri) 05:38:31 No.682 [Reply] [Last]
What was the last thing you watched, and what did you think of it?
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>>2378 Did you mention the title somewhere in there?
>>2380 Sorry for the late reply >Did you mention the title no :^) but i left strong clues It will probably be underwhelming hence said reaction but i can make a visual map on how everyone gets fucked in the end in both physical and psychological ways if you want me to resume it and drive my point straight on, spoilers galore tho or i can simply tell you but part of me still thinks this movie simply went too hard on me as a old chivalry porn watcher, a normal viewer foreign to this i think wouldn't mind the movie that much hence the expectation part played an important role. It works in pairs/dual destinies which is a karma/asian thing to do. As i said this doesn't feel like an accident, it seems to be based on the usual karmic system old kung fu movies had but moves it to an urban environment and goes away with the normal chivalry/honor conventions that people were used to, hence the shock when trust is easily betrayed and violence becomes primal rage rather than ritualistic elegance. It plays somewhat in the same ballpark as earlier works' conventions and that's why i think its deconstructive nature in other conventions works so well, or at least for me. That's a "problem" i have with these kind of plot movies, it seems confusing how some works feel intuitively like complex narratives, as if it was an adapted work from a detailed source, but in reality they are very simple and made with quickshot scripts. Yet the feeling stays there as if someone planned every detail and it's executed in a somewhat shallow or quickfire way, as if it could be fleshed out way more but they opt to just not. The Kid with the Golden Arm has a similar feel to it, mindless action (and not really on par with other works from the same guys) but the characters' personalities and conceptual interaction and traits among them make it feel like it was adapted from a major work or had way too much planning and too little time to film it, and that is because the characters and their personalities as a whole make sense and complement its thematic story up to a t. Some heroes are not that different from some villains, their motivations are just different and what mostly takes them apart is benefit to society or to themselves, yet some egos are fed with certain acts without actually fully realizing their collateral damage. That, for example, is a not-shallow take on what seems a pretty straightforward morally black-and-white wuxia movie, but that message seems to be clearly there as all the interpretative pieces are presented despite never being acknowledged by the narrative itself.
>Vortex-Gaspar Noe, 2021 "For My Damaged Right Eye" but weaker. I was expecting the editing cuts to at least mean something like you expect the series of events to be consecutive but it's actually multiple events occurring as part of a schedule that all happen differently, but no, it's just split screen on analog 16mm(?) film because Gaspar thought it looked cool. At best I can say it depressed me because it reminded me I can't live for myself but have no one to live for. At worst, it was bland, Noe should stick to rape.
>>2587 I've seen all of his feature films up to Climax. I wasn't too interested in Vortex until I saw he cast Dario Argento. I didn't realize it was based on a gimmick...
>>2588 I mean if you're someone who enjoys basic arthouse slice of life family drama films Go watch The Stranger(1991) it's far better written and I had seen it before handhell the scene between the mom and grandma in Disney's capeshit show Ms Marvel is better written than this regardless of quality as it's not as well written or does anything of value with editing choices or cinematography which waters down what could be a artistic technique to just that a gimmick then you can give it a watch.

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Film Stills Anonymous 09/28/2021 (Tue) 06:30:15 No.2012 [Reply]
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"Artsy" read: narratively unjustified, out of nowhere, random, aesthetic study only, don't know how to call it shot of a drunk inconspicuous tourist in a latin american country, set in mid-00's 2 examples of negotiating characters against a man framed in visual composition to represent what feels to be the wild, the land, a place or a region; latter one even has him dress in national colours. Set in late 80's. Last one is clearly a joke, i said a joke, to parody certain collages made to enlarge certain movies' visual compositions, some done in cherrypicked and bad faith ways to win brownie points in social media due to their famous titles meaning something for some people despite disregarding main art direction or narrative devices used by said movies themselves. In this case an american mainstream comedy movie presented to make it look like a high-budget bitter love story amidst an action-packed context which isn't far off to be fair compared to the actual movie
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I watched this before I knew anything about Douglas Sirk. I barely remember it so I wonder if how it compares.
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Documentaries Thread Anonymous 09/01/2020 (Tue) 22:43:44 No.542 [Reply] [Last]
[JW02 ~ 04/16/2020] A thread to post and request good documentaries on the variety of subjects. I'll start with some choice docus on ancient Egypt. All are selected for quality of presentation, study of subject as well as absence of current year agendas, we wuz kangz niggers etc. Romer's Egypt (3 episodes; 1982) and Ancient Lives (4 episodes; 1984) – the finest and quintessential ancient Egypt presentation; a soothing, in-depth look into ancient Egypt’s life and culture. It has that unmistakable classy 80s look that elevates it above the rest. https://www.invidio.us/channel/UC4gF7P8JKlJ9xAz8MF6AhFw/videos https://www.invidio.us/user/xinistri/videos Egypt: Beyond the Pyramids (4 episodes; 2001) – somewhat similar to Romer’s; not as in-depth or classy but still an enjoyable watch. https://www.dailymotion.com/search/Egypt%3A%20Beyond%20the%20Pyramids The Robot, The Dentist and the Pyramid (1 episode; 2020) – an excellent amateur documentary about the latest attempt to explore the shaft of the Great Pyramid. https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=rhsddHgybTo Immortal Egypt (4 episodes; 2016) – despite being modern and hosted by a wommyn, it surprisingly manages to somehow avoid the current year pozz and is very much watchable. Probably the best HD series on the matter.

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>>2534 >I really like the illustrations they made for the project Most of those pics are from Paul Rudolph, one of the top architects back in the 60s to the 80s, one of the very few who also did brutalism right, i think i wrote about him in the old board regarding that style of architecture style. >urban as cancerous growth Which i find ironic if he was considered an example because he was one of the first contemporary figures to call for massive rethinking of urban systems, namely he called for reforestation and air lungs (small and medium parks dotted in the middle of urban areas) in cities, also one of the first to add tons of greenery in his big projects, proponent of re analyzing the german urbanism doctrine of the late 19th century to its focus on livable, walkable cities. For calling out big corps, and for shamefully being a giant butt stabber in his private life, he was blackballed and ignored in his late years along with some public humiliations like being denied the Pritzker, still he became appreciated elsewhere and pulled some cool projects in East Asia, i think he also did some stuff in the Robocop movie, still i believe there's something else for pissing off jews because some of his iconic buildings in the US which should be landmarks have been demolished in recent years and some of his direct students ignored or blackballed too (William Morgan, Norman Foster)
>>2540 Thanks for sharing! I can tell the natural influence in his work, I got it mixed up because I was quoting this anon >>2531 turns out he was looking for a different docu... That's incredibly sad how his work is being buried, green cities should be the norm
>>2540 That first pic reminded me of the University of Costa Rica, the ''biggest' one in the country, you can't really tell by the pictures but you feel very much in touch with nature, there's even a spot that looks just like that b&w illustration
>>2534 Thanks for posting, even if it's not the documentary the person wanted. I'm interested in Jane Jacobs because my friend had her book The Death and Life of Great American Cities.
Kowloon Walled City in 1987 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=S-rj8m7Ssow

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Animated shorts and features Anonymous 09/01/2020 (Tue) 22:27:04 No.530 [Reply]
[JW09 ~ 10/27/2019] I saw this short by chance last night and really enjoyed it. Well-executed concept with a distinctive visual style. >Thursday >Dir: Matthias Hoegg / UK / 2010 https://invidio.us/watch?v=HQ1z0Zzqg5U <An everyday love story set in the not so distant future sees blackbirds battling with technology, automatic palm readers and power cuts. I looked for more content from Matthias Hoegg, but found that he's chosen a more profitable career as animator for hire. Still he's done interesting work for various corporate and non-profit clients. https://vimeo.com/matthiashoegg
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>>2195 You know it's funny, I hated Mad God, but it's ironically not a "modern film" because it took 30 years to make. You are the opposite of me.
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I like the stairs of progress sequence in Scurta istorie, a short animation from Ion Popescu-Gopo. He both uses a man picking a flower and atomic energy again in his live-action feature A Bomb Was Stolen. https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=jI53-N6mGX8
>>2556 * uses both
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Building upon >>531 here's a handy twitter account that highlights animated gems from Eastern Europe https://nitter.net/EasternOoC A few months ago the account shared this clip from the 1989 Soviet version of Treasure Island. This film has frequent (rather annoying) live action interludes where actors dressed as pirates tell the young viewers about the benefits of things like physical fitness and moral behavior. They have a well-meaning message, especially compared to current children's programming made by the Cold War victors, but as usual the Soviet propaganda has no subtlety. It's heavy-handed and out-of-place for the Treasure Island story.
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Karel Zeman i believe

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Films that revolve around a protagonist in a dead end life serve as a cautionary tale to viewers Anonymous 03/04/2022 (Fri) 20:39:48 No.2364 [Reply]
Hey all, what are some films similar to these two?
Woah, Caden was not in a dead end life, Caden had every chance in that movie to make things work, twice, if not thrice. He had two daughters and still abandoned both, he had two potential partners and still rejected them. It's only after they both leave him that he regrets letting them go. The entire point of the movie is that outlook and decisions change things, you're not stuck in a dead end unless you think you are. It's almost antithetical to the genre you want.
>>2365 Are you forgetting about his (Caden's) mental illness(es)? Check this out: >Repetition compulsion is a psychological phenomenon in which a person repeats an event or its circumstances over and over again. This includes re-enacting the event or putting oneself in situations where the event is likely to happen again. This "re-living" can also take the form of dreams in which memories and feelings of what happened are repeated, and even hallucinated. >Repetition compulsion can also be used to cover the repetition of behaviour or life patterns more broadly: a "key component in Freud's understanding of mental life, 'repetition compulsion' ... describes the pattern whereby people endlessly repeat patterns of behaviour which were difficult or distressing in earlier life". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_compulsion
Motivational Growth - but it goes the "gf solves life crisis" route which ruins the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRhJWIBZrE
>>2528 What an amazing and surprisingly obscure film! Thank you very much.

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/film/ on Letterboxd Anonymous 09/02/2020 (Wed) 19:26:42 No.608 [Reply]
[JW16 ~ 01/06/2020] https://letterboxd.com/8chanfilm/ /film/ Top 250 https://letterboxd.com/8chanfilm/list/film-top-250/ /film/ Favorite Shorts https://letterboxd.com/8chanfilm/list/film-favorite-shorts/ I'm surprised this account hasn't been shadowbanned or deleted just yet. Will we continue adding films to the top 250?
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>>1913 I agree on Punishment, so I dont mind if Edvard gets it either since thats also very well done but I need to watch it again to make sure. I have been going through the list and am on Manuel by Raul and so far Ive liked pretty much all of them, I couldnt watch Taigo, Revelateur or The Falls but thats it, so far Satantango and Werkmeister have stuck with me, even if I did not care for his particular thoughts in the latter. Eros was also really good but City of Pirates takes the cake. I have never seen such an effortless film. It just flows between sets and time stands still until its over.
god, i haven't posted since the 8ch days either >>1872 i second something from SEL. i've watched a few from SEL. Sweetgrass, People's Park, Leviathan, Yumen, Manakamana, Single Stream, The Iron Ministry, Caniba. Really interested in the earlier ernst karel stuff, and also i heard they are working on a new film which has something to do with hospitals? not sure if it's out I recommend Leviathan out of the ones I've watched. It's the most well known but also i think the best
>>2152 Welcome back anon.
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Zoltan Fabri's Merry-Go-Round is a fine film but The Fifth Seal is objectively better. It's basically the difference between an 8/10 vs. the elusive 9/10. What was the justification for this choice? I suppose there are no wrong choices since favorites are entirely arbitrary, but I'm curious nonetheless.
>>2440 The Fifth Seal is a world cinema classic and deserves to be added. We could double up on other directors as well. There's ample room left. I was thinking Peter Greenaway - The Falls is a little different from most of his films so we could include one that represents his typical style.

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